MLS Attendance Analysis: Week 10

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Yoshou, May 16, 2011.

  1. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With Ed moving for the next few weeks, you are sadly stuck with me posting the weekly averages and various other bits that Ed posts. So, without further ado, let us dive into this in the deep end.

    Remember in this thread we discuss the:
    (AAQ = Attendance Analysis Quotient. This figure is an overall attendance assessment, calculated from the weighted values of average attendance, median attendance, <10K percentage and >20K percentage. A lower figure represents a better attendance performance.)
    This is a slight change from Andy's old formula which used simple ordinal values and provided a full ranking point separation for two numbers that may have been within a percentage. This ordinal system did not allow for fine differences to be seen, and may have painted a somewhat skewed view of the numbers (though to be honest there is not much difference in the two end of season sets).

    The formula to find the weighted value for each column is:

    Take the annual value and subtract it from the Max value for it's column. Then take that result and divide it by the (Max-Min) for its column. For example, for the average column

    17410 is the max
    13756 is the min
    3654 is the difference

    To calculate the derived value for 2010
    Subtract 16675 from 17410 to get 735.
    Divide 735 by 3654 then mulitply by 100* to get 20

    *Note that this step is new as some people thought whole numbers would be easier to read.

    MLS Attendance is based on tickets distributed not tickets scanned. Therefore if a team sells or distributes X number of tickets, then X is the attendance for that match. Even if 0 people showed up for whatever reason, X would still be the official attendance. There are a number of reasons actual attendance may be lower or higher than the announced. If you believe that the attendance was more or less than reported please use the Perceived Attendance thread to discuss that.
     
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  2. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While not a bad week, two games from Dallas, one in San Jose, and a "poor" game in DC is a bit much for the other games to overcome and the season average went down some, but certainly not a massive amount. This week also had the first non-sell-out in Vancouver and the best attended game in PPL history:

    Code:
    Team Attendance
    Philadelphia 19178
    Dallas 8145
    Vancouver 15608
    Toronto FC 18674
    DC United 12499
    New England 14186
    Dallas 12109
    Real Salt Lake 16301
    San Jose 9142
    Los Angeles 19763
    Seattle 36593
    New York 16365
    [B]Total 198563[/B]
    [COLOR=Red]Average 16547[/COLOR]
    
     
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  3. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This week continues the pattern for this season with maintaining the second best season in league history using the current AAAQ method. However, this week represents a return to 2nd place for the original AAQ methodology with 1996 having a cracking few games to bump up it's average and median.

    Current Season:

    Code:
    Year Average Median <10k >20k AvgPts MedPts <10kPts >20kPts AAAQ AAAQRnk Date
    1996 21571 20158 13.6% 52.3% 0 0 18 0 18 1 5/30
    1997 15738 13893 18.2% 20.5% 67 77 37 74 255 7 5/18
    1998 14153 12013 20.8% 17.0% 85 100 48 82 315 13 5/16
    1999 14525 13697 28.3% 20.8% 81 79 79 74 313 12 5/22
    2000 12853 12891 32.1% 9.4% 100 89 95 100 384 16 5/13
    2001 14564 14234 20.5% 11.4% 80 73 46 95 295 11 5/19
    2002 16311 14065 17.9% 25.6% 60 75 36 62 233 5 5/18
    2003 13698 12638 33.3% 16.7% 90 92 100 83 366 15 6/7
    2004 15464 13614 23.8% 26.2% 70 80 60 61 272 9 5/29
    2005 14041 12134 28.3% 15.1% 86 99 79 87 351 14 5/28
    2006 16406 15742 18.9% 18.9% 59 54 40 78 231 4 5/31
    2007 14882 13981 14.8% 16.7% 77 76 23 83 259 8 6/2
    2008 15648 15024 11.9% 27.1% 68 63 11 59 200 3 5/24
    2009 14725 14051 19.0% 15.9% 79 75 41 85 279 10 5/16
    2010 16011 13611 14.9% 22.4% 64 80 23 70 237 6 5/22
    2011 17142 16339 9.3% 27.9% 51 47 0 57 155 2 5/15
    Historical End of Season

    Code:
    EOS Average Median <10k >20k AvgPts MedPts <10kPts >20kPts AAAQ AAAQRnk Date
    1996 17410 15093 21.9% 26.3% 0 7 54 20 81 4 9/22
    1997 14606 12733 25.0% 16.3% 77 75 65 78 295 12 9/28
    1998 14312 11871 26.6% 16.1% 85 100 71 79 335 14 9/27
    1999 14282 12973 32.3% 15.1% 86 68 92 85 331 13 10/10
    2000 13756 12690 34.4% 12.5% 100 76 100 100 376 15 9/9
    2001 14961 13431 26.6% 17.7% 67 55 71 70 263 10 9/9
    2002 15821 14108 17.1% 18.6% 43 36 36 65 179 6 9/22
    2003 14900 13719 23.3% 18.0% 69 47 59 68 242 9 10/26
    2004 15549 13223 24.7% 25.3% 51 61 64 26 202 8 10/17
    2005 15112 12619 27.1% 17.7% 63 79 73 70 284 11 10/16
    2006 15426 14113 19.3% 18.2% 54 36 44 67 201 7 10/15
    2007 16767 15353 8.2% 29.7% 18 0 3 0 20 1 10/21
    2008 16460 15188 11.0% 24.8% 26 5 13 28 72 3 10/26
    2009 16037 14686 14.7% 20.9% 38 19 27 51 135 5 10/25
    2010 16675 15332 7.5% 22.5% 20 1 0 42 63 2 10/16
     
  4. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully I've done this part right, I've done this year, last year, and all time. I've chosen to "compare" each year by the game count for each team. I'm not sure that is a fair comparison because not every season has the same number of games, and when those games took place is different, but that is what I went with, so enjoy. :)

    Code:
    Team 2011 2010 Diff All Time Diff
    CD Chivas USA 14648 14554 0.6% 14824 -1.2%
    Chicago 13628 14334 -4.9% 14724 -7.4%
    Colorado 13243 12404 6.8% 13846 -4.4%
    Columbus 10199 14244 -28.4% 14313 -28.7%
    DC United 16344 14635 11.7% 17116 -4.5%
    FC Dallas 14258 10448 36.5% 12367 15.3%
    Houston 16078 15754 2.1% 16673 -3.6%
    Kansas City 0 0 0% 0 0%
    Los Angeles 24496 19397 26.3% 21101 16.1%
    New England 10892 10319 5.6% 15322 -28.9%
    New York 17191 16740 2.7% 18107 -5.1%
    Philadelphia 18045 22614 -20.2% 20330 -11.2%
    Portland 18627 0 100.0% 0 100.0%
    Real Salt Lake 16672 14950 11.5% 16184 3.0%
    San Jose 9879 9654 2.3% 12487 -20.9%
    Seattle 36348 36145 0.6% 34010 6.9%
    Toronto FC 19557 20410 -4.2% 20051 -2.5%
    Vancouver 19987 0 100.0% 0 100.0%
     
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  5. BigLarr

    BigLarr Member

    Jan 2, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any idea where on mlssoccer.com one could find the 2011 attendance numbers? That info seems to have recently disappeared from their stats page.
     
  6. Golazo

    Golazo Member+

    Apr 15, 1999
    Decatur, GA USA
    I heard they're taking the page down long enough to add a "legs broken per game" column. It'll be back up by Wednesday.
     
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  7. RfrancisR

    RfrancisR Member+

    Aug 7, 2006
    New Orleans Diaspora
    A 100% of zero is zero. The categories are not applicable to Vancouver and Portland. But otherwise, great job. It's great info and a hard job.
     
  8. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    What stands out the most to me is only 4 teams have falling attendance, and one of those (Philly) can't help but do so given no games at Linc.

    We already know KC will increase, given the number of season tickets is reportedly more than their average attendance last year.

    With 12 increasing and 2 new teams with good numbers, this is truly a banner year.
     
  9. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    Actually, since it looks like his formula is (A_2011-A_2010)/A_2010, the value is undefined
     
  10. theENFORCER

    theENFORCER Member

    Apr 10, 2010
    NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LAG looks solid this year already building on a good number last year. True class of the league.

    What's wrong with Columbus? Are they really that boring to watch?
     
  11. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I wonder if gas cost might be hindering some places. I mean it is 4.20 a gallon for regular where i live and it is worse in some places close by.
     
  12. Stereolab

    Stereolab BigSoccer Member

    Jul 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Judging by their appearance at San Jose last weekend, umm, yes.
     
  13. Bubba1971

    Bubba1971 Member+

    Nov 12, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Should be a good week.

    Chivas get their annual sellout against the Galaxy. Portland, Philly and Seattle should all be sellouts. Houston will draw well with RBNY and Dallas and Salt Lake are two of the hottest teams in the league (although Dallas isn't predictible.)
     
  14. LeftyLeftyOutside

    Aug 25, 2010
    Johnson City, TN
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's almost like they've done no marketing at all. The Blue Jackets are seeing a sharp attendance drop-off as well, but that's easy to understand because they've been consistently bad for almost their entire existence. I know the Crew got rid of a bunch of high-dollar players and lost their presenting partner, but this is still a competitive team that should be drawing much better than it has. Something smells fishy...
     
  15. RapidRush

    RapidRush Member

    Jul 1, 2009
    Caldwell
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's good to see the Rapids up slightly this year. We may end up beating our all time average by the seasons end. Considering the lack of marketing from the F.O. I'd say that's decent but have to wait and see.
     
  16. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm going to come right out and say that there is no way in heck Colorado is going to exceed their all time high. There is a good chance that it might be the 4th best, but exceeding #1 would require Colorado to get a larger stadium and beating #2 and #3 would require Colorado to be around 90% capacity for the rest of the season..
     
  17. jayd8888

    jayd8888 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Denver CO
    Yup, 1st all time at the Dick, maybe. I pretty sure that the venue is not even big enough to beat the all time mark.
     
  18. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Nov 30, 1998
    on the run from the covid
    Club:
    Seattle
    Hmmm...he actually said "all time average", which I interpretted to mean their historical average since day one. Beating that would give them an "above average year".

    But maybe your interpretation was correct. I guess we'll have to let him come back and clarify!
     
  19. RapidStorm

    RapidStorm Member+

    Jan 30, 2005
    Denver, CO
    I don't know if this may have been calculated and posted in other threads, but just an FYI:
    NBA average attendance 2010-11 regular season: 17,319
    NHL average attendance 2010-11 regular season: 17,122
    (stats via ESPN.com, I ran the averages myself through Excel)

    Our current average looks quite nice in comparison to those two, let's hope we can keep it up for the rest of the year.
     
  20. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will try to remember to send the workbook that I keep this in. It also has the sheet with the Season to Date v Seasons End comparison and prediction.
     
  21. RapidRush

    RapidRush Member

    Jul 1, 2009
    Caldwell
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I meant our all time at DSP. Sorry, I should have clarified. Obviously when we were playing at MHS there is no way we could beat that. Our stadium only holds 18,000 now and I think in 2002 we averaged about 20,000 if I remember.

    But at DSP our highest yearly average was 14,500ish. We could beat that but it will take a little bit more.
     
  22. RapidRush

    RapidRush Member

    Jul 1, 2009
    Caldwell
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah sorry. I am doing multiple things at once and what I was thinking didn't come out in what I was typing. :eek:
     
  23. RapidRush

    RapidRush Member

    Jul 1, 2009
    Caldwell
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes but those sports also play way more games than the MLS does. My guess, as much as I love the MLS, is that if we had 80 games our attendance figures would be lower. I could be wrong though.
     
  24. FC Matt 90

    FC Matt 90 New Member

    Aug 1, 2006
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't bank on a sellout for Philly. There's rain in the forecast and Chicago isn't exactly the same kind of draw as NY or LA. I'd expect 17,500ish (+/- 500), which would still be very good.
     
  25. vponce75

    vponce75 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 16, 2004
    SoCal
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the draw of Logan Pause doesn't do it for you?
     

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