Copa Libertadores 2011 (R)

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by JAIME CHILE, Nov 23, 2010.

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  1. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Estudiantes is going through a big change after their winning manager Sabella recently resigned. He claimed that the club didn't want to bring in the players needed to remain competitive.

    Berizzo their new coach who was working alongside Bielsa with the Chilean national team hasn't had the time to influence them. If Berizzo's style of play is anything similar to Biela's, which is demanding physically with a lot of pressing, then that would be a big difference to how Estudiantes played under Sabella.
     
  2. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Well, is Berizzo a staunch proponent of all-out offensive football as Bielsa was with Argentina and therefore a fan of the 3-3-1-3 formation?
     
  3. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    I'd say so, but as an actual coach I don't know whether he will be successful at implementing his style. This is the 1st time he's coaching on his own. During an interview he said "Hopefully, I can transfer everything I learned from Bielsa".
     
  4. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Plus he just signed last week. Even if he was good at it, it's not enough time to implement any changes successfully.

    Anyway, as I see it, this 5-0 is karma for all the shit Estudiantes pulled off in Libertadores over the years. And they're still getting off very cheap.
     
  5. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Are you referring to the Carlos Bilardo years?
     
  6. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yes.

    Actually it's Osvaldo Zubeldía's years. Bilardo was just a scrub player on that team, and he later carried on Zubeldía's legacy as a coach.
     
  7. Caturro

    Caturro Member

    Aug 3, 2004
    Chile
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    That has got to be the most blatant erroneous PK call I've seen in, well, forever. The Oriente guy receives a kicked ball to the face at close range and the ref calls a PK for Gremio... the hands weren't anywhere CLOSE to his face... unbelievable.
     
  8. Flamenguista

    Flamenguista Member

    Jul 7, 2009
    Brasília,Brazil
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Yep,Oriente Petrolero got blatantly robbed there
     
  9. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    6 minutos

    Cerro Porteño(PAR)-Colocolo(CHI) 2:0:D

    Tengan compasión paraguayos, están jugando contra el COLISTA del fútbol chileno.:p
     
  10. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I've read a bit about those years, but what exactly are you referring to?
     
  11. Century's Best

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    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Grêmio 3 Oriente Petroleiro 0. Grêmio is in a relatively easy group and if it gets its stuff together it can go far this year. They are not the most talented team Brazil sent to the 2011 Libertadores, but they do have a "copeiro" spirit.
     
  12. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    But you gotta admit that Colo Colo's goal was awesome.
     
  13. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Iturbe is nice, heartbreaking to know that we lost him to Argentina.
     
  14. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Cerro Porteño-Colocolo 5:2

    Colocolo ha recibido 10 goles en los 2 últimos partidos.

    Tabla 1ra fecha:

    1. Cerro Porteño(PAR) 3
    2. Santos(BRA) 1
    ---------------
    3. Táchira(VEN) 1
    4. Colocolo(CHI) 0

    2da fecha:
    1 de marzo: Táchira-Colocolo
    2 de marzo: Santos-Cerro Porteño
     
  15. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Colo Colo da pena defensivamente. Increíble que un jugador como Scotti sea semi-finalista en un Mundial y que Toro sea considerado uno de los mejores centrales del medio chileno. :eek:
     
  16. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Santos vs Cerro should be good.

    Neymar vs Iturbe
     
  17. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    If it's anything like the last time they faced each other, Cerro will win.
     
  18. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Zubeldía was a pioneer in terms of being analytical about everything, and of getting his teams ready both physically and psychologically to play. But his teams were also notoriously dirty teams. There are stories about them hiding needles to pinch their opponents during the game. Also there are stories that they would research the opposition to find dirt, for example an opposition player had problems with his wife, or maybe his father was a drunk or whatever so they could bring it up during the game to piss them off and get them off their game. Stuff like that.
     
  19. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    That's what I thought. I'd read about that - very dirty antics. But I wanted to have you, an Argentine, confirm them yourself.

    Now, is this "destroy your opponent" thing strictly something that originated and was done by the Estudantes of yesteryear or has it infiltrated Argentine soccer as a whole? I'm not trying to be provocative, but when I remember what Diego Simeone did to David Beckham in 2002, it seems like a perfect example (and Beckham fell for it hook like and sinker).
     
  20. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I think that the "best" story I've heard was about the color-coded water bottles that they'll leave on the pitch... You know, when a player is injured and the staff enters the field, they bring along water and all the players share... Estudiantes' players knew that it was better not to drink from the red ones.. which had some laxative or a sedative, depending on the version... :p:eek:
     
  21. johnie1

    johnie1 Member

    Oct 30, 2006
    cork, ireland
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Possibly open to correction on this, but i dont thinl they origianted those tactics, just took it to new extremes. i remember reading years ago that Racing started to do the same thing in the 1st place, but not at the same level at estudiantes.
     
  22. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    One has to wonder what's this Estudiantes really up to, i think it'll take them a while to get used to Berizzo's plan. It's been a single match for them in the league(against Newell's) in which they dominated on the first half, but on the second either ran out of gas or saved themselves for this one(i'm believing it may have been the former).

    Interesting match between Godoy Cruz and Liga yesterday.
     
  23. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Another thing Berizzo is doing that to me is frankly stupid is to keep using the same exact same lineup for both the Clausura and Libertadores. I can understand wanting to play some key players who are skillful or strong leaders, but you have to use some fresh players. Considering so many of his players are veterans of many battles, it has to affect them. They looked tired and slow against Cruzeiro and if he keeps doing this I expect more of the same.

    Viva el vino!
     
  24. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It's true that Don Osvaldo didn't start this, as Johnie1 says, but he took it to its highest levels with Estudiantes. And his success with it did of course influence Argentine football. Even the great Independiente teams of the 70s, which played attractive and effective football, were not above playing dirty.

    But I think it also affected South American football in general. Colombia's Deportivo Cali of the late 70s comes to mind -coached by Bilardo-, and I think you could also see the attitude in Brazilian, Uruguayan and Chilean teams, and in the way Copa Libertadores is played in general, wherever it's played.

    I think it's getting better, partly because of all the TV cameras and all the replays and the internet and all the media we have today, which make it harder for teams to get away with some of the crap as much as they used to.
     
  25. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Thankfully. :cool:
     

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