Commissioner Garber's State of the League

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by Sicilia, Nov 17, 2010.

  1. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I live in eastern Nassau County and NYRB is my local team. It takes about 70 minutes of train time from Hicksville to Harrison using 3 trains: LIRR to NYP, NJT from NYP to NWKP, Path from NWKP to Harrison. If you check schedules, the waiting time is not much.

    As for the name, it never really bothered me because I never liked MetroStars. But I've gotten used to it, and the bottom line is the NYRB is my local team, and I want to show support for them, for MLS and for soccer in the USA.

    In my personal opinion, I do not think that the vast number of soccer fans in the NYC area will support a NYC based MLS team after the first year. If you disguise the team with the "Cosmos" name, then maybe the NYC based MLS team will get support for 2 years. But deep down, NYC soccer fans generally have soccer allegiances in other lands, and MLS doesn't give them the soccer kick they want. I could be wrong, and if there is a NYC based MLS team I will accept them and support them as my second local team.
     
  2. redmetrobullstars

    Nov 13, 2006
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i have a friend that ill drive to buffalo because Bills are the only NY team...he's also from middleborough...so that could be the problem hahahaha



    You're not getting it. it's that fact that NY FOOTBALL fans (not baseball, american football, hockey), but FOOTBALL fans don't want to support a team in Jersey. Maybe some will, I am an exception, the guy from queens in an except.
    Had i started following MLS when Cosmos and Red Bulls both existed, i would probably support the cosmos, because they're from NY.
     
  3. redmetrobullstars

    Nov 13, 2006
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    i live in suffolk, i have 1 up on ya for travelling time. I mean like, 40 mins from nassau boarder suffolk. :D

    True, NYC football fans have a allegiences in other lands, usually for a reason. I have an allegience to Alianza Lima, i'm not even Peruvian. I lived there, and went to 2 of the biggest derbies for Alianza, so that's why I support them. I support west ham coz my father in law is from the area, and that is who got me into football when I was 17 and started dating my fiancee. I have been to west ham to. Their is usually a reason why their allegience exist elsewhere, but when it comes down to a domestic league, they're not going to support a team from another state.
    It's your home turf, and the boundries exist more (as you are more aware of them since you live here) when talking about your home region, rather than abroad.

    For those from NJ, why weren't people from Philly supporting RB prior to the Union. Becuase they are not from NJ. It seems to be only an issue people make amongst NYers not supporting RB
     
  4. Rooney20

    Rooney20 Member+

    Jan 8, 2007
    New York
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're friend is an idiot. The Giants and the Jets both played in NY before moving to the Medowlands.
     
  5. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only soccer fans will not go to their relatives in NJ for Thanksgiving because it is not NY.
     
  6. Rooney20

    Rooney20 Member+

    Jan 8, 2007
    New York
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because they were supporting DC :D :mad:
     
  7. hoboken16

    hoboken16 Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Jersey City, NJ USA
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Alot of current football fans don't think much of the MLS and probably never will regardless of where the team is located/what the name of the team is.
     
  8. redmetrobullstars

    Nov 13, 2006
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    not since he moved here.
     
  9. BokenTerp

    BokenTerp New Member

    Oct 17, 2007
    Hoboken, NJ
    Has anyone noticed that he neglected to name a venue for MLS Cup 2011. Perhaps that means they are getting rid of the ridiculous neutral site setup. RBA is the obvious choice and yet it wasn't selected as in year's past...

    Should be alternate leg or better yet winner take all. Would add spice to the regular season AND the final
     
  10. Rooney20

    Rooney20 Member+

    Jan 8, 2007
    New York
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That makes him a bigger idiot for not recognizing history.
     
  11. nymetrobulls

    nymetrobulls New Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    nyc
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So once NY2 comes along you'll then be pushing for a LI team because they dont truley represent your region.
     
  12. redmetrobullstars

    Nov 13, 2006
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    so then everyone from south london should start supporting arsenal then, rite?
     
  13. UpstateFan

    UpstateFan Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty sure they are considering the final be held at the better ranked team than a pre-set location. Whether its a one game elimination or a home and away. I think last night showed that neutral isn't working. A game goes into overtime, which should excite the fans, but the fans go home instead of finishing the game out. Pathetic.
     
  14. redmetrobullstars

    Nov 13, 2006
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    or ill just stay going to RB like I plan?

    and we do have a team on LI, two in fact.

    FCNY, which starts next season in USL1. The other being the Long Island Rough Riders.
     
  15. DoctorK

    DoctorK New Member

    Jan 8, 2002
    NorthBank, Riverbend
    Anyone in their right mind already does.
     
  16. DoctorK

    DoctorK New Member

    Jan 8, 2002
    NorthBank, Riverbend
    :confused: You do know where the Cosmos played in their heyday, don't you? The idea that somehow the Cosmos are more NY than the MetroStars/Red Bulls boggles the mind. We've been going to the Swamp and now Harrison for generations because of their central location to the NY metro region.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area

    This isn't a difficult concept to grasp. Gridiron fans don't stay away because of the state line. Real football fans don't, either.
     
  17. redmetrobullstars

    Nov 13, 2006
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    football support today, and football support in the 70's has chnaged quite a bit I'm sure. although I can't speak from experience, as i was born in the 80's, I'm sure the demographics of football fans has changed, as has the ideology of club football.

    American supporters of english clubs will even ridicule a club from another city in england, just becuase they're from that city. To get them to support a team in another state in their home land won't happen...at least no for the majority. There's always some that will though.

    once again, you can't compare american football fans to football fans. don't know why people do it.
     
  18. BokenTerp

    BokenTerp New Member

    Oct 17, 2007
    Hoboken, NJ
    Well when they renamed Dial Square after a defense contractor I know I refused to support them anymore.
     
  19. redmetrobullstars

    Nov 13, 2006
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :cheers:

    charlton are shit, so you're probably correct.

    but then yet, anyone in N. London shouldn't support arsenal. They should only support....gulp...(hard to complete a sentence with this team accompanied by the words "should support").... tottenham.
     
  20. redmetrobullstars

    Nov 13, 2006
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    so why are you supporting the red bulls? :rolleyes: jk
     
  21. nymetrobulls

    nymetrobulls New Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    nyc
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FCNY wont last more than 2 seasons and the rough risders have fallen a long way.
     
  22. DoctorK

    DoctorK New Member

    Jan 8, 2002
    NorthBank, Riverbend
    I'm a football polygamist. ;)
     
  23. vflkirwan

    vflkirwan Member

    Mar 28, 2000
    North Jersey
    Club:
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because RB is a North Jersey/NYC area team.

    In 2000, a group tried bringing the Trenton Union into MLS. Many Soccer fans from Philly would have been supporting that team in Jersey. If said Soccer Team was put in Camden or Cherry Hill, a lot of Philly fans would be supporting them there in Jersey as well.

    Accordin to your logic, if RB is a Jersey team, why are people from South Jersey supporting the Union?

    That argument you made makes no sense. Philly/South Jersey is a different region with Philly the sphere of influence.
     
  24. redmetrobullstars

    Nov 13, 2006
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if i was from NJ i would support the team in NJ. IDK why people would support a club from another state.


    are people from south jersey flyers or devils fans? i really dont know because I'm not from Jersey, but I'm curious as to if that division exists for hockey, too.

    as for RB being an North Jersey/NYC team, we like to think so as RB fans. however most NYers think Jersey is a dump, and put it almost to the equivilent of Staten Island. Obviously SI being worse. :D
    I think the division of N and S jersey is equal to N. Jersey and New York. Like I've said earlier, it's not everybody's opinion, but definitely a very large majority.
     
  25. DoctorK

    DoctorK New Member

    Jan 8, 2002
    NorthBank, Riverbend
    :eek:

    Have you ever heard of Designated Market Area? Given the relative depth of the talent pool in comparison with other domestic leagues and especially if MLS is to remain a single-tier first division league, franchises should be distributed with no more than one per media market. The chief complaint from NY's anti-MLS soccer fans is over the perceived lack of talent in MLS. Adding teams only adds to that complaint. The Goats should leave LA and NY soccer fans should support their team.

    Garber needs to take market saturation and talent dilution seriously. His consistent dismissal of both concerns - his persistent refusal to seriously address much less counter either concern - threatens to undermine an otherwise cautious and prudent league strategy.
     

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