The Rebrand (keep your naming ideas to yourself please)

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  1. Wizardscharter

    Wizardscharter New Member

    Jul 25, 2001
    Blue Springs, MO
    KCW website has an RH interview in two parts up. Not shockingly I found a few things to be problematic.

    The text of the interview clearly states the name change decision has been made, not news. Other statements have info that I read to be indicative of the decision being "floated" as per normal with RH and OnGoal, the backlash seemed surprising at the least, and now the tactic is, as always, to devise the best way to sell a new name to those who are and will be unhappy. The main goal being midwestern domination of an as yet etherial today sports brand. OK, there's the plan.

    I'm not crazy about KCW being merely a lever for financial domination or for that matter anything less than a Championship first priority. Nowhere in the text was that "want to win" confirmed by a plan. 100% lipservice. All noted plans were for growth unrelated to the soccer team on the field, yet many hours have been devoted/wasted to the rebrand and OnGoal (read :not Wizards) expansion to follow.

    I'm not in the room, I don't know the full plan obviously. I have no objection to a field being used more than 17-20 dates per year. It should be. I like lacross, rugby, and almost all sports. Angles are angles after all. Attracting other teams to KC with synergy in mind is a Cerner, business, and sports building standard.

    Again, the issue is throwing the baby (KCW's historical name) out with the bathwater. A name change isn't for the benefit of the soccer team, but the sole and only benefit of Owner's pocketbooks...and even benefit that is just theory at this point. An incorrect theory disproved often in practice locally and nationally.

    Increasingly KCW is looking as if the purchase of the team was sole and only for the leverage of other maketing and tax dollar capture opportunities. I've stated this before and nobody cared. Well, here's a whole interview that says KCW isn't the priority of the head man.

    How much losing has to happen before it becomes imporant to other fans?

    Whatever your view of RH's statements, Championship teams are not run in this manor ever.

    There isn't much evidence that RH has as his priority becoming proficient at helping the team currently called the KC Wizards - progress into a winner on the field. His priority is to make money, period. So far, it's inarguable that the 3+ seasons of actual results have been a losing team.

    I didn't know if RH is gaining coaching licenses, learning launguages, digesting tape, rating players, or otherwise being a sponge in on-field matters. Some of this is inevitable, but enough to matter? Whatever is happening, it's tough to see it from a fan view. It may even be arguable that a Team President's involvement doesn't help but rather harms.

    I'm OK with that, but then don't change the team's name or colors or offer opionions on the team on the field. Be a guy who's job it is to make money and remain stoic on other matters. But that isn't RH, is it? Cynically adn probaly in reality, it creates the suituation where two things are being done at less than acceptable proficiencies and time is wasted.


    Further, I'm bothered by RH's reference of his time in the D-League. It wasn't that he referenced it as that is his sole and only experience base within sport, so it naturally forms RH's frame of reference, but rather waht bother's me is how he mentioned it. The context was that a learning event happened in the DBL, so that knowledge directly transfers to MLS. This as if the equation is the same. Science argues differently, but that aside, there may be a soccer league in the US comparable to MLS, but it isn't MLS. No government is writing $100M checks for DBL teams...I don't think so anyway. Nobody really wants to be in the D-League. That is never the end goal. The D-league isn't ever consulted when determining where the FIBA World Championships will be played. www.bigdleague.com isn't a widely follow site. Etc.

    In total over 3+ seasons now a patern has emerged. That being READY, FIRE!!!, aim philosophy. If an idea is flotaed and it bombs, the strategy isn't to abandon the idea as flawed, but rather to do damage control, because we're so heavily invested in the idea and how could we possibly be wrong?!? We're only not understood. We will convert them...we know everything important adn hard work is enough.

    Hard work isn't ever enough in sports. It never has been and never will be. It's required, but rarely if ever the catalyst. Everyone works. Most work hard.

    The line been very consistent over OnGoal's line on everything. Good ideas remain good. Bad ones are merely sold until proven bad. The list is long and consistent.

    I mentioned long ago that mistakes will be made by rookies in everything. Rookies coaches, Owners, Players, Marketers...everyone. It's to be expected. You are better at your job today than when you started, etc. To continue to be willing to make mistakes is part of learning to be a Champion. To not learn from them or willingly make mistakes again having better knowledge is just the stuff of losing and therefore losers.

    Robb Heineman seems convinced that running a playbook is the course and that playbook has been determined from his experiences running a financial concern and a D-League team.

    Times are easy now. The new stadium we all like if not love and it's abundant cash flows in the short term will hide many issues that will become more tangible and increasingly more costly later.

    RH needs help from someone better connected to the minds of fans of sports in general and specifically soccer. Absence of that acknowledgement and change is to accept that Peter Vermes is the answer and guru to all things. PV is the de facto Team President this point. RH is actually OnGoal's Team President, not your Team President. There is nothing else. That is how the on-field team is structured at this moment. RH seems fairly irrelevant to that dynamic except in killing the team's history. I could be wrong, but it doesn't feel like it. For the record, I'd happily to be wrong.

    With that, real growth will be difficult to impossible until RH either allows himself to be helpful to KCW on field or gets someone else in there who can and will. That looks wholly unlikely and I truly hate that I'm typing this.

    [Craig Furguson]I look forward to your letters.[/CF]
     
  2. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I don't really see "we want to win championships" as lip service. I really believe that OnGoal wants to do everything in their power to do that. Bringing guys like Smith and Auvrey and Bravo in are testament to that. There are others they've brought in that haven't worked (*cough*PabloEscobar*cough*), but you can't predict how well a player is going to do next year any more than a meteorologist can predict the weather a month from now. Point is, they are making moves trying to better this team.

    From that, I think two points follow:

    1) EVERYONE wants a championship team. We will have 17 other teams hell bent on being 2011 MLS Champions next year, and only one will be successful. The steps the FO take will factor into that, sure, but there are lot of other factors that do as well. You could bring Manchester United into this league and you can't guarantee that some Kansas City Wizards team isn't going to get the better of them on any given Saturday. Can you really blame the FO for that kind of variance inherent in all sports? I can literally go back to no more than 6 events during the season, change a shot by no more than a foot, and make Kansas City a playoff team. That's sports. Now, if we were in DC's shoes, I'd say your arguments are completely acceptable.

    2) I think OnGoal is a little naive. As we all know, they purchased this team with little background in soccer, and were more interested in sports in the KC area as a whole and keeping a professional franchise in the KC area (wow, putting it like, I wonder how long this team has been tentatively named Sporting KC?). While it's easy to say you want to win championships, I think they are still figuring our how. I think they are putting all their resources towards finding out the how, but it's not something that's formulaic, and they haven't been around the sport long enough to recognize all the intricacies about it yet.

    Anywho, that's my long winded two cents.
     
  3. KCFutbol

    KCFutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 14, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Young man, you don't know "long winded". :)
     
  4. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Intentional irony. :cool:
     
  5. Felixx219

    Felixx219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 8, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I've post many times in response to your post that a sports team operates as two different entities. There is the front office which covers the business side of things and there is the technical staff who controls the coaching staff and player personnel. I am glad you finally understand that. However, you are insinuating that it is wrong for the team to operate in this fashion which is incorrect. This is how most sports teams operate. So, basically you read the article and finally figure out how sports teams operate and use it as a way to slam OnGoal when that is how things should be.

    PV is the technical director and head coach. So, he is basically the president of the actual team.

    RH is an entrepreneur. He hasnt played professional soccer nor does he have the ability to evaluate or coach players. Do you really want him make personnel decisions? His job is to handle business matters and do things that lead this team to earn a profit. They have hired PV to build a team to win championships.

    Rob's job is to handle the business side of matters. That is how it should work. So, you slamming him for focusing on the business side of things in an interview is a little ridiculous when that is his role.

    Do you really want this team to turn into the Oakland Raiders where you have Rob acting like Al Davis and screwing the team up? Owners getting too involved in player personnel decisions rarely works. All you have to do is look at the current state of the Cowboys and Raiders to see how well that works.

    OnGoal has only owned this team for 4 years. That isnt very long for someone. The learning curve is much longer than that. Yes, they make mistakes. I am sure you make mistakes in your job too. I dont know what you do for a living but I am sure it involves some kind of job that helps a company generate profit. Most people work towards the goal of helping a company generate revenue, it isnt wrong, it is called capitalism and the basic principle of business. Like it or not, the Kansas City Wizards and OnGoal are businesses. If they dont make a profit eventually, we no longer have a team.
     
  6. Felixx219

    Felixx219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 8, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Exactly. Building a championship team is not exact science. Ask the Pink Cows about that. All you can do is make an effort and there is evidence of OG doing that whether WC wants to admit it or not. The adjustments made to the techical side of things in the last year is a strong effort. It hasnt worked out yet but I think it will. It also isnt cheap to send an entire coaching staff to Portugal to scout players. If the bottom line were the only thing, they would be doing the minimum which means staying in the states to scout players.
     
  7. Moufwash

    Moufwash New Member

    May 26, 2009
    Prairie Village
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also mentioned by Nate Bukaty this morning on 810 was to expect an announcement in regrad to the name change/rebranding next week. He just said he did some digging, not sure if digging is just looking at the same things we have seen on here, or if he as media connections etc..
     
  8. banker6901

    banker6901 Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Lawrence
    I would assume his connection is Dave Borchardt who use to work with them at 810.
     
  9. jtreg

    jtreg Member

    Aug 16, 2010
    State of denial
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope this is correct. I just want to get it over with. I hope they can get all they can out of the news cycle. Hype - hype - HYPE.
     
  10. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Hillcrest Road states big announcement tomorrow (followed by a pub crawl). I'm guessing you'll know then.
     
  11. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  12. Moufwash

    Moufwash New Member

    May 26, 2009
    Prairie Village
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ohhh spacebook..... not tomorrow, unless you are from the future

    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=174819245863402&index=1

    "TimeWednesday, November 17 · 5:30pm - 8:00pm
    LocationKansas City's Power and Light District - KC Live

    Please join us for a major Kansas City soccer announcement. A pub crawl will immediately follow the announcement featuring great drink specials from McFadden’s, Pizza Bar, Johnny’s Tavern, Raglan Road and Tengo Sed Cantina."
     
  13. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The blurb and link from Hillcrest was taken away, and the url on the graphic "bignewsforkc.com" is a dead page at the moment

    Ducks still being lined up it seems ...
     
  14. NorthbankHighbury

    Jan 25, 2009
    Liberty, MO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Thinking of the Portland logo unveiling right about now.
     
  15. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Me too, now to make sure I can get off work in time.
     
  16. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's now directing to the Facebook event.
     
  17. Moufwash

    Moufwash New Member

    May 26, 2009
    Prairie Village
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    makes you wonder if the team handing out free drinks would help or hinder that sort of situation :) (yes I am looking for a free drinks regardless)
     
  18. NorthbankHighbury

    Jan 25, 2009
    Liberty, MO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Fark .... I almost hope its Sporting right now ... imagine how bad it could be if they really tried.

    Logos and imagery better be good or I am gonna have to boo.
     
  19. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Having a URL on your graphic for the facebook event that doesn't work does not bode well
     
  20. Kasmatsu

    Kasmatsu Member

    Sep 1, 2008
    Gardner, KS
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    they are probably just announcing watch parties for the FIFA Club World Cup...
     
  21. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure if I'll laugh or boo, I doubt we'll get the full reaction that Portland got, but it could certainly be bad.
     
  22. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Still going to godaddy for me and I have refreshed
     
  23. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting.

    They just posted this on the facebook page: Greetings supporters, bignewsforKC.com will redirect here to the Facebook event. Look forward to seeing you all next Wednesday at Power & Light!
     
  24. NorthbankHighbury

    Jan 25, 2009
    Liberty, MO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    You probably need to clear your DNS cache

    At the command prompt:

    ipconfig /flushdns
     
  25. jtreg

    jtreg Member

    Aug 16, 2010
    State of denial
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At least OnGoal isn't hiding from us. They could have very well just made it press only.

    I don't think there's going to be a Portland incident. I imagine if it's horrible we'll be hearing crickets, faint boos, and the interns clapping a little too loudly.
     

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