Your anti Sounders bias is so blatant in these neutral type threads Your hate makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Too bad TFC couldn't hold on for a win vs. RSL, if they had, all 4 groups would be VERY interesting going down to the last matchday. With Seattle and RSL at home, and Columbus at Joe Public, the USA could have a productive last matchday.
After 2010-11 Group Stage, Matchday 5 No bonuses have been added for clubs guaranteed to advance to the quarterfinals. All of those will be added at the conclusion of Matchday 6. Movement: - Puerto Rico and Santos past Pachuca - Olimpia past Columbus and Houston - Municipal past Arabe Unido and D.C. United - Monterrey past D.C. United - Real Salt Lake past Tauro - Toronto FC past Real Espana - Seattle past FAS, Isidro Metapan, and San Juan Jabloteh Code: League Coefficient Nation 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11 Overall Mexico 19.500 23.125 12.000 54.625 Honduras 12.750 8.333 6.833 27.917 Canada 16.500 0.500 9.500 26.500 CFU 9.167 8.000 5.833 23.000 United States 4.625 8.375 7.375 20.375 Panama 9.250 7.000 2.333 18.583 Guatemala 5.000 6.000 5.250 16.250 Costa Rica 5.750 3.167 4.750 13.667 El Salvador 5.250 3.500 4.000 12.750 Nicaragua 0.500 0.000 0.000 0.500 Belize 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 Club Coefficient Club 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11 Overall Cruz Azul 23.4167 29.6313 11.0000 64.0480 UNAM 16.4167 22.6313 0.0000 39.0480 Marathon 14.2500 13.7500 6.2778 34.2778 Toluca 0.0000 22.6313 9.0000 31.6313 Puerto Rico 17.0556 5.6400 7.9444 30.6400 Santos 19.4167 0.0000 11.0000 30.4167 Pachuca 0.0000 28.6313 0.0000 28.6313 Atlante 25.4167 0.0000 0.0000 25.4167 Saprissa 8.9167 5.0450 6.5833 20.5450 Olimpia 10.2500 0.0000 9.2778 19.5278 Columbus 0.0000 10.7638 8.4583 19.2221 Houston 10.5417 7.7638 0.0000 18.3055 Montreal 16.5000 0.0000 0.0000 16.5000 Municipal 6.6667 0.0000 7.7500 14.4167 Arabe Unido 0.0000 10.3100 2.7778 13.0878 Monterrey 0.0000 0.0000 13.0000 13.0000 D.C. United 2.5417 9.7638 0.0000 12.3055 Comunicaciones0.0000 9.9800 0.0000 9.9800 Real Salt Lake0.0000 0.0000 9.4583 9.4583 Tauro 9.0833 0.0000 0.0000 9.0833 Joe Public 5.0556 0.0000 2.9444 8.0000 L.A. Firpo 7.7500 0.0000 0.0000 7.7500 W Connection 0.0000 7.6400 0.0000 7.6400 Toronto FC 0.0000 0.0000 7.1667 7.1667 Real Espana 0.0000 6.7500 0.0000 6.7500 San Francisco 5.0833 0.0000 0.0000 5.0833 Seattle 0.0000 0.0000 4.4583 4.4583 FAS 0.0000 0.0000 3.3333 3.3333 Isidro Metapan0.0000 3.1550 0.0000 3.1550 SJ Jabloteh 0.0000 2.6400 0.0000 2.6400
The only place RSL is going to have a productive last matchday against Cruz Azul is at the box office and at the concession stand. My prediction is that at least 75% of the crowd will be cheering for the Maquina. RSL has a road game in Colorado the Saturday after the Cruz Azul game. And RSL may still be chasing the Supporter's Shield and a higher playoff spot.
Concacaf Champions League is a bunch of "fixed" matches...Where the rich teams especially from USA and Canada pay the poor teams from Central America to drop games. That just fits perfectly CSA way of doing things in terms of forming their Teams,especially their Men's squads.
LOL, dude you need to work on your trolling. There isn't enough incentive for anyone to be paying bribes to drop matches.
Which is why there have been 4 Central American teams in the quarterfinals, and 3 from the US and Canada combined. Get outta my thread.
Do you do any weighting based on the year? Or does each tournament weigh equally in the total? And if you don't, do you think that you should?
Your troll-fu is weak. If we were so good at bribery, our domestic league would not have been won by a team from a state that is ranked 45th in per capita income. A team that's ranked 39th in unemployment would not have the best regular season record.
You can see from ArsenalMetro's table in Post 79 of this topic that the three seasons are weighted equally and added. UEFA uses five years and weights them equally. Cruz Azul has been consistent enough to have more coefficient points than the two champions, Atlante and Pachuca, combined.
Well, for one, even if you are right, that's 25% more than was cheering for them in Mexico, where only a mind-boggling collapse kept them from wining. And LA can clinch the Shield this week-end with a win (or a draw and an RSL loss, or an RSL loss). RSL can clinch second with a win at home over FCD. I think RSL will be locked into second by the time this game comes around.
Well, with Colorado's win over LA, it means an RSL win in their final match, would, I believe, force LA to beat Dallas (no easy task) to win the SS. I think they'll rest up midweek.
LA-RSL for SS is pretty simple. If they end up even on points, RSL wins the tiebreaker (goal differential). LA is one point ahead; with a win they are assured of the SS. RSL wins any superior result (RSL wins & LA ties; or RSL ties and LA loses). LA wins any equal result (both tie, both win, both lose).
After 2010-11 Group Stages, with all bonuses added Movement: - Toluca over Marathon - Santos over Puerto Rico - Monterrey over Montreal, Municipal, and Arabe Unido - Real Salt Lake over D.C. United and Comunicaciones - Toronto FC over Tauro, Joe Public, L.A. Firpo, and W Connection Code: League Coefficient Nation 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11 Overall Mexico 19.500 23.125 14.500 57.125 Honduras 12.750 8.333 7.833 28.917 Canada 16.500 0.500 11.500 28.500 CFU 9.167 8.000 5.833 23.000 United States 4.625 8.375 8.875 21.875 Panama 9.250 7.000 2.333 18.583 Guatemala 5.000 6.000 5.250 16.250 Costa Rica 5.750 3.167 6.250 15.167 El Salvador 5.250 3.500 4.000 12.750 Nicaragua 0.500 0.000 0.000 0.500 Belize 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 Club Coefficient Club 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11 Overall Cruz Azul 23.4167 29.6313 12.8333 65.8813 UNAM 16.4167 22.6313 0.0000 39.0480 Toluca 0.0000 22.6313 12.8333 35.4646 Marathon 14.2500 13.7500 6.6111 34.6111 Santos 19.4167 0.0000 14.8333 34.2500 Puerto Rico 17.0556 5.6400 7.9444 30.6400 Pachuca 0.0000 28.6313 0.0000 28.6313 Atlante 25.4167 0.0000 0.0000 25.4167 Saprissa 8.9167 5.0450 10.0833 24.0450 Olimpia 10.2500 0.0000 12.6111 22.8611 Columbus 0.0000 10.7638 11.9583 22.7221 Houston 10.5417 7.7638 0.0000 18.3055 Monterrey 0.0000 0.0000 16.8333 16.8333 Montreal 16.5000 0.0000 0.0000 16.5000 Municipal 6.6667 0.0000 7.7500 14.4167 Arabe Unido 0.0000 10.3100 2.7778 13.0878 Real Salt Lake0.0000 0.0000 12.9583 12.9583 D.C. United 2.5417 9.7638 0.0000 12.3055 Comunicaciones0.0000 9.9800 0.0000 9.9800 Toronto FC 0.0000 0.0000 9.8333 9.8333 Tauro 9.0833 0.0000 0.0000 9.0833 Joe Public 5.0556 0.0000 2.9444 8.0000 L.A. Firpo 7.7500 0.0000 0.0000 7.7500 W Connection 0.0000 7.6400 0.0000 7.6400 Real Espana 0.0000 6.7500 0.0000 6.7500 San Francisco 5.0833 0.0000 0.0000 5.0833 Seattle 0.0000 0.0000 4.9583 4.9583 FAS 0.0000 0.0000 3.3333 3.3333 Isidro Metapan0.0000 3.1550 0.0000 3.1550 SJ Jabloteh 0.0000 2.6400 0.0000 2.6400
Also, Sapri- er, Costa Rica's finally proven itself to not be the worst of the Central American leagues with 2 CCL spots.
Interesting note: If Salt Lake and Columbus get drawn against one another in the quarters, the United States coefficient will necessarily pass that of the CFU. Also, it is impossible for the US to pass Canada to move into third, even if RSL and Columbus win every match they're in for the rest of the tournament.
The key is in individual quality of players being developed by those leagues.Everything else has to do with wealth and money.
Interesting. It will be even more interesting to see how CONCACAF rationalizes keeping the US where it is for allocations. Because what you have shows that the US shouldn't get any more slots than Canada, Honduras and the CFU. If you round most of the coefficients, you can get to 24 teams this way: Mexico 5 Honduras, Canada 3 CFU, US, Panama, Guatemala, Costa Rica 2 El Salvador, Nicaragua, Belize 1 Not that I think that's likely.
Alright, I had to wait for the group stage to end before I could give my coefficients. Again, this appears to be what CONCACAF is using to determine slots for feds that drop out, it's not my personal choice for what should be used. So, direct all criticism to Jack Warner. You can click on the button in those quotes to go back to those posts, there is more detailed info in them. I just didn't want to quote both entire posts because they are long. Well, here we go.... 2010-11 Pts/Teams Mex 6/4* CR 2/2* USA 3/4* Carib 2/3 Hon 2/3* ES 1/2 Can 0/1 Guat 0/2 Panama 0/3 Total Pts/Teams Mex 31/12* Carib 9/9 Hon 6/7* Can 2/3 Panama 4/7 USA 6/12* CR 2/7* ES 1/6 Guat 1/6 Bel 0/1 Nic 0/1 There are still seven points to be won. Feds with * still have teams remaining. The US teams need to perform very well if they want to justify 4 slots. We'll see if CONCACAF has the balls to reduce slots for the US and CR and give them to other high performers like Honduras, the Caribbean, Canada, and Panama. It may not be an issue if Nicaragua and Belize continue to have issues with competing. Again, if you click on the posts that I quoted you can see that I have shown that the replacement teams that CONCACAF has chosen so far have fit exactly with these coefficients. So, VioletCrown, they are likely to base their slots on the rankings above.
Well for the USA, you can look at the Attendance thread to see why the USA gets 4 spots and Canada gets 1. meaning MLS 5.
Of course they do. It's not a guess. We know they have in the past. But let's see what they do now that they've had three years of the new format. Let's see if they live up to the promise of more integrity and putting the competition first. I'm not holding my breath. They may luck out if the remaining US teams do well then they could legitimately let the US keep 3 or 4 slots.
Can't compare leagues when salary of one player in one could be a total budget for entire club in another one.