Its easier to simply ignore a few idiots and carry on with your day. But seeing a mod exchanging blows with one, I had to call you out. Also, I don't appreciate you implying that this forum is filled with racist/ignorant members. I don't know/care why you have negative feelings towards South Koreans, but our mods don't infract/ban members so easily or resort to personal/racial attacks. If this forum 'reeks', then please leave and continue maintaining the Chinese forums. I'm sure its squeaky clean there. [edit] @ ntg I acknowledge that some members can get out of hand at times, and don't get me wrong, I do call them out when this happens. But what surprised and disappointed me today was seeing the manner in which Teamdragon and yourself handled this whole situation. What you both did was criticize and argue with Geseki. Especially Teamdragon. His comments were saturated with racial connotations, which I felt was very provocative and inappropriate, especially since he has the title as a moderator. I appreciate you pointing out the flaws in this forum, so, thanks..? Nevertheless, I'll ask Elliad & Yimmy to overlook this issue and have them enforce a stricter policy regarding posts with racial/offensive material.
For such a fair-minded person such as you sir, it surely shouldn't be that difficult for you to understand that as a mod or a Chinese person or a Chinese mod or just a random fair-minded person of any race, when some of these "one ignorant member"'s embark on racial slurs on China or the Chinese, that "one ignorant member" should be put on notice that he will receive as much as if not more what he has dished out. But you seem to like to look at the easier side by holding your nose and pretending it doesn't reek. I said the racial garbage here reeked. I didn't say the Korean Forums by default reeked. As the voice of reason role you're playing, sir, you should not be trying to make blurry such a subtle but very important difference. I'm here because today I have a little bit of spare time so I thought I should help out with the Korean posting community here to clean up some of what reeks here. Why stop now? Just when you sir are doing so well encouraging those "one ignorant member"'s to post more shit, as the politically correct voice of reason who promises it's easy to overlook shit, as long as it's shit against other people.
I'll wholeheartedly agree that there is an awful lot of prejudiced and hatemongering on these boards but I don't think, and, at the risk of sounding presumptuous, I'm sure you don't think, it's exclusive to BS Korea. If this is a well-recognized problem, which it seems to be, then the BS staff should be doing a better job of establishing levels of moderation where issues like this can be dealt in a much quicker way. There is an unbelievable amount of homophobia, racial slurs, what not that really take away from the quality of discussions here. We're told that all we can do is report and hit that cute little yellow button (which I do) but often times I feel that there is a blind eye or this kind of thing is swept under the carpet until something like this happens, belatedly.
And do you consider yourself as an ideal upstanding member? Preposterous. If that's the case, where is the application to become a BS mod? Sign me up.
referring to stat's comment of the cute yellow button i pressed it alot and it's the same.. referring to sergei: for the flaw part: you are welcome. for the will tell the kmods about this: i told them months ago and similarly, its the same.
And all racial garbage here smells good again. You forgot to finish your sentence. But no, please don't ban Geseki, I so enjoy his passing on of pics of geeky looking South Korean supporters of Argentina as Chinese.
Moderator, please stop further tainting this so called 'reeking' forum. I would greatly appreciate it.
As the mod here for a couple of years and lurker/poster here for a bit longer than that, it's my impression that the Korean Forums are by far the worst.
If so, it begs the question why a cesspool of hate like World Rivalries is even tolerated? I'm not sure what other forums are like. I can only speak for the ones that are predominantly in English-language, Korean, or Spanish. My French and German are clown college-level at best.
I've replied to the reeking forum part. Read again if you haven't. It's a mod's job to try to clean up what stinks up the joint, with or without you trying to pretend shit is easy to overlook.
Oh, my apologies. I was only thinking of legit forums. WR is a league of its own. It was created solely for the purpose of being that, a cesspool, so there's an outlet for natural waste.
Never said nor implied that this 'shit' is easy to overlook. You however, are not helping settle this issue. Doing the opposite, actually. Like I mentioned earlier, your remarks are adding fuel to this matter.
Point being though, it's a dangerous precedent to even entertain it -- to have it here is to legitimize it, even if you and I don't think it's 'legitimate'. It shouldn't exist at all. You allow something like WR to exist in the same space and there's bound to be some leakage into BS Korea, BS X, BS Y -- which there seems to be plenty of. If people want to indulge their bigotry, there are thousands of other forums online which would welcome them with open arms.
What issue exactly? That a lot of South Korean posters here like to utter racial shit with no regard for consequence? That a lot of other fair-minded posters such as you sir who so like to settle the issue to the point of never said anything in this thread until the table is turned, would simple look the other way like shit is not there? You, sir, in all your "neutrality" are actually the one adding fuel to the fire.
At the risk of splitting hairs, do you know all of the people who are saying prejudiced things are South Korean?
I agree with you 100%, in theory. But in practice, according to the old threads I've read and conversations I've had with other mods and supermods, it's simply impossible. Without the WR serving as the designated cesspool, shit would simply spill into discussions in legit forums. Unfortunately, in this forum, shit still manages to seep through and supported by remaining silence or even defended by many, including some otherwise supposedly fair-minded posters.
Well, I'll be happy to push the agenda. Who should I talk to? I don't pay $10 a year for just a fancy avatar...or do I? That's the thing isn't it? WR isn't shunting poor-level or offensive conversations the way it is intended to. If, in theory and practice, it's rendered effete, why have it at all? Greater attention could then be brought to bear on those bring all manner of offensive material on regular forums.
All is too absolute a word. I'd say 95% of the posts here are from the South Koreans. I don't think there are that many North Koreans or other nationals here. But since we are splitting hair, should we really consider the foreign-born South Koreans South Koreans? If not, the percentage goes down drastically. It's my experience that the people of South Korea, the ones who actually live in South Korea, are a lot less liberal with derogatory racial words than the foreign born ones.
Such closed mindedness, moderator. Never in my life have I seen an 'authoritative' figure handle issues in this manner. Apologies if I hurt your feelings and questioned your style of order. Perhaps all moderators should behave like yourself. BS would be a better place.
Can you read hangul with total fluency? If not, I think that tends to skew your perspective a bit. And for the record, I do think there are a surprising number of different contributors from different ethnic/national backgrounds outside of Korea. The Koreans Abroad subforum, in particular, tends to attract a decent amount of attention from like-minded fans of European and/or other Asian clubs. Most of the contributors are excellent and really informative.
Basically, you do. WR is such an eyesore this issue of shutting it down has been brought up many times. The verdict is always the same, it's a necessary devil. We used to have an Asian WR too. Stinked even worse than WR. Mercifully, people higher-up came to their senses in the end and decided to merge it into the WR.
That's interesting. Perhaps not all "authoritative" figures handle issues in the same manner. Apologies unnecessary. But thanks anyway for your concern for my feelings. I'd be more concerned for the feelings of the innocent lurkers/readers who had to come across the racial garbage here, on a random lazy sunny summer day thinking they could enjoy by reading off a friendly soccer forum. And my apologies if I did you, even though I've yet to issued derogatory adjectives such as "closeminded" etc to describe you. But with regard to this particular situation, the point, if you still don't think it's been made, is this, from now on, racial garbage should not and will not be so easily overlooked here and uttering it should and will have consequence.