Are you serious FO??????

Discussion in 'Archives: CD Chivas USA' started by Chivo, Jul 17, 2010.

  1. Chivo

    Chivo Member

    Mar 31, 2005
    San Diego
  2. glyconerd

    glyconerd Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 8, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Uzbekistan
    hahaha what a snub to Chivas USA. I was looking forward to seeing him in Libertadores. Whatever. They must have offered him decent money.
     
  3. oddlou

    oddlou Member

    May 12, 2008
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Not that Bravo is good anymore, but at least he'd get people into the seats. This team is going to lose the few fans it has pretty soon at this pace. I like some of our young players, but I don't see much effort from the FO, to be honest. There's a ton to do in L.A., and plenty of footie on t.v., so spending 80 bucks every few weeks to watch a team that doesn't give enough of a ******** to try to bring in some top shelf talent in to compete with other teams in the league is becoming more difficult. Say what you will about the whack ass galaxy, but at least their F.O. is trying. this is the first season in the last 3 or 4 that I don't get season tickets, and, tbh, I'm glad I didn't. Why should I spend my hard earned money on a second-rate product putting forth a third-rate effort?

    There's a f'n salary cap. there are no yankees or red sox here. we're not a small market team. We just have a small market mentality combined with a shitty eye for talent. That's a bad combination. There's a limit on how many dp's a team can get, yet I don't see our FO even trying. why can't our FO go after 'dinho, or Henry, or Rafa Marquez, or Omar Bravo? The Galaxy always seem to be trying for those kinda guys. The soft-drinks are trying. Those guys will bring in fans. They make for a good atmosphere. They build up the fan base.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I hate that I love this ********in team.
     
  4. hugo90301

    hugo90301 Member

    Jul 22, 2008
    Lawndale, CA
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Bravo is no where near at the same level he once was, when we finally sign a high profile DP I hope its not a former Chivas G. player. I think it will help to attract fans that will invest their time solely for Chivas USA instead of targeting Guadalajara fans/Chivas USA fans by default.

    I agree we need a boost, if Bravo was as good as Henry or something I would see your point, but Guad. wash ups are not the answer.
     
  5. RMoreno

    RMoreno Member

    Jan 18, 2005
    Southern California
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    I just read the news on MT and ran over here!

    Chivo beat me to the board and I couldn't agree more with him.

    Its not a matter of "washed up Guad players" its about our FO NOT even pretending to try and get some support. This news came out of nowhere. Just a few days ago Vergara was praising Bravo's latest accomplishments getting Guadalajara into semis of the Libertadores. I never expected that he was out promoting Bravo to raise his price!

    I can't figure if I'm more upset about losing out on Bravo or whether we lost him to the Wizards!?

    I can't wait to hear who Chicago is picking up.

    That brings back someone's infamous quote:

    "I hate myself for loving this Team!" :mad:

    ¡Arriba las Chivas!
     
  6. RMoreno

    RMoreno Member

    Jan 18, 2005
    Southern California
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Well at least we'll get to see him at the HDC on Sept 17!:rolleyes:

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    :mad:

    What a way to treat the guy who helped you get into the Semifinales of the Libertadores?
     
  7. MARCH_

    MARCH_ Member

    Aug 16, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why o why. Why is CUSA named after a club that gives us the middle finger. It hurts seen our club like this. No direction, no identity, no passion from the FO.
    @ first i tough Martin would help us, but for the 2 time in our history CUSA will not make the playoffs. Here is my take on why Martin should get the boot. This comes from more then a 3 months observation on Martin.

    1. Martin (coaching staff) are not consistent with the playing time of the youth players.
    2. He doesn't give any positive or negative comments during his practice sessions.
    3. Does not address players at practice when they make the same mistake over and over again!! (He should stop the play and let the player know what he wants him to do!).
    4. Does not start players that have perform well during the weeks practice.
    6. We do not practice dead ball plays or corner kicks.
    7. Is afraid(intimidated) of some of the players on the team and that is why he kicks them out of the team.
    8. Martin does not know how to make good subs. Ex. vs Puebla, he puts Delgado (a defender) when we are losing instead of going with an offensive player!! What the hell is that about????
    9. Got rid of Carey Talley when he was 100x the better player than Delgado. Why not get rid of Ante Jazic instead and keep a player who loved our club?
    10. Does not respect young players on the team even though they've been on the team longer than some of the new players. Ex. Gerson Mayen, Jorge Flores, and Cesar Zamora have been with the team longer than some of the new players but continues to not give them an opportunity to prove themselves. Martin and his coaching staff do not know how to develop our academy players and that is why we should bring in a new coach. A new coach that will concentrate on developing our young talent and bring in more academy players!!
    11. Even Preki brought in 2 Chivas USA academy players last season. How many academy players has Martin signed this season? Everyone needs to wake up and smell the coffee!! Martin is doing a horrible job and will destroy our team by the end of the season!!

    So-much for the Chivas Guadalajara philisophy they claim to follow:rolleyes:
     
  8. hrothgarofsocal

    Apr 22, 2007
    Union Ultras
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Bravo didn't want to come to CUSA...... he's a Galaxy fan.
     
  9. JediK

    JediK Member

    Jul 4, 2008
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just want to comment on this because I've seen a lot of people really confused about this sub.

    From what I remember Delgado is a youth striker turned defender ala Bornstein. Even though he played CB for his previous club as well, in times of need (injuries) he would be used as a forward, and late in games when they were losing sometimes the coach would take out a stiker (lack of a better option on the bench), put in another CB, and Delgado would just move up to forward. That should at least explain the sub.
     
  10. ekker3

    ekker3 Member

    Feb 10, 2007
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    how would bravo even fit in with us? we've got a logjam of capable strikers already and have giant holes in other places. its a waste of a DP slot.

    id rather have rafa.
     
  11. oddlou

    oddlou Member

    May 12, 2008
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Of course Rafa would be better. And I'm not a huge Bravo fan, but...We have 3 slots, you know we're not using all 3, if any of them. And he's better than any of our "capable" forwards. And he'd bring people into the stands. It's really more about the apparent lack of effort from the FO that bothers me.
     
  12. Chivo

    Chivo Member

    Mar 31, 2005
    San Diego
    This.

    We freaking love this team and the FO doesnt seem to give a rat's ass. Bravo wasn't the best player available, but he did seem to be recovering some form in the last Libertadores legs, but what would have been most important is that he would have made people NOTICE the team. We are Chivas USA and are suppose to have a Latin spark, but how do you think the general fan will react when they see Bravo in Kansas, Nery in Chicago, and (maybe) Rafa at NY? The FO doesnt even seem like it is trying.
     
  13. echo-2

    echo-2 Member

    LAFC
    Mexico
    Nov 4, 2007
    San Pedro, CA.
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This all makes sence now. The FO goes out signs 3 players (with in a month) in a lame attempt to make us belive that they are actualy trying , knowing all along that Bravo, Henry, Ronaldino, Marquez, Nery and god knows who else is being shoped out there and we ain't getting $hit! They're argument is going to be that they just brought in 3 players, wich in retrospect mow look like fallen bread crumbs. Our new signings might have been good 2 years ago but not now.

    I hate to say this but I'm starting to get tired of the FO slaping me in the face AGAIN and AGAIN.:mad:
     
  14. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    It is rather curious that the top Mexican players in MLS keep ending up at clubs other than the Mexican-American one.

    Blanco, Landin (yeah, I know, but still), Bravo and now Castillo. You could even toss in a player like Michael Orozco coming back from a Mexican team. (In fairness, they did get Borja and Padilla when they came back.)

    And don't even get me started on the various Mexican-American players throughout MLS that Chivas either ignored in the draft or made next to no effort to acquire. Nick Rimando, Daniel Hernandez, Eric Avila, Ramiro Corrales, Nick Garcia, Omar Gonzalez, etc...

    It would seem that if the whole point of this team is to cater to Mexican-American market that failing to acquire most of the league's top Mexican and Mexican-American talent is not the way to get said market into the seats and turn them into fans.
     
  15. elchivamayor

    elchivamayor Member

    Mar 6, 2008
    NORTH HILLS
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    see this is funny

    blanco to chivas usa you have to be kidding me and dont take me wrong i will love in our team

    landin jajajajajajajajaja even do who was a good player he suuuuuuuuuuuuck at houston i can Imagen every body know talking about the f.o. because they sign a player that sucks that it was a waste of money blablablabla get serious

    bravo even do i love bravo i think giancarlo its a better player then him let me tell you why he is going to be more commited with the team and he is not a diva like bravo sorry but its the true i dont even think bravo its going to do good at kansas i hope hi does

    CASTILLO man he hasn't play for the pass 2 years or more yes i will love to see him here at chivas usa but i also think that giancarlo its a better option then him at this moment

    yes im so frustrated because we could not bring a biiiiiiiiiiiiig star to the team like henry,marquez or imagen ronaldhino but the true is that our team needs our support now not only when they sign a biiig name player now

    in my chivas i trust;)
     
  16. echo-2

    echo-2 Member

    LAFC
    Mexico
    Nov 4, 2007
    San Pedro, CA.
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Its a 2 way street my friend. Just cause we are expressing our anger and you're not dosent make you a more knoble supporter. If us as fans are putting in our 100% effort behind this thing, then we as fans deserve 100% from the front office in regards to product. We have gone through the few missing pieces , to the rebuilding , to the new team in the league faze. What do you expect with a big hispanic following? We hispanics (Mexican, Salvadorean, Honduran, Guatemalen etc....) are not known for just standing there and taking it from anyone! In one way or another we all put in an effort to support this team and we have been patient. It's the lack of effort that pisses me off whether you think that Bravo or Landin suck or not. We are failing as a franchise in all respects. Bravo and Nerry are players that if successful can carry aa team on their shoulders like Blanco did a few years back with Chicago. I am so ready to take that chance. We are soon going to be the worst team in the MLS and Im not cool with that.
     
  17. oddlou

    oddlou Member

    May 12, 2008
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    You sound like an abused wife. He hits me...but he loves me! I still love the team, but supporting them when they don't give a ******** is precisely why certain teams, this one, for example, continue to shoot for mediocrity.
     
  18. elchivamayor

    elchivamayor Member

    Mar 6, 2008
    NORTH HILLS
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    im no saying im a more knoble supporter you can say with ever you want but you really think landin or bravo are better then giancarlo backk it up compadre dont just talk because you want to talk

    i totally agree with you on this one

    been patient its what you need man martin has been with the team for six months this year they have bring some decent players that have not show their potential it takes time amigo time

    bro i dont know for how long have you follow a team but it is the way you are saying but i will say more he hits me but i still love him no matter what,

    i have follow the same team for more then 20 years and man trust me i have suffered so much that you dont have and idea and i still and will always love them

    the think is this like a famous guys says its ok to complain you can say with ever you want its your opinion just like my opinion i hate people that just complain and complain and complain lets have some fun i still think that giancarlo its better then bravo and landin and nery at this moment

    p.s. chivas usa is the team the represents LA the most we have players from i have never said that im a better supporter then any of you pero si les queda el saco:D
    el salvador
    colombia
    mexico
    costa rica
    cuba
    brasil
    canada
    venezuela
    usa
    sierra leona
    romania
     
  19. oddlou

    oddlou Member

    May 12, 2008
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    I've been following this team since 2006 and it is the only team I've ever followed in MLS. And I'm not going to stop cheering for them or going to games. But I did stop buying season tickets. Spending over a thousand bones a year for a team that doesn't care to spend like other teams in the league is giving them team the impression that I'm ok with their mediocrity. I'm not.

    I've been a Chargers and Padres fan for about 30 years, so I have you on long-term suffering in sports. I've also been a fan of Mexico for that same period of time, so there you go. The only team I've ever been a big fan of that has won a championship is the Lakers. But all of those teams have tried at different points throughout my life.

    I've honestly yet to see any real effort from Chivas USA (the FO) since I started cheering them on. The players still get my backing, of course, but the FO needs to at least try to keep up. Blind loyalty doesn't make you a good fan, btw.
     
  20. elchivamayor

    elchivamayor Member

    Mar 6, 2008
    NORTH HILLS
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    BLIND LOYALTY JAJAJAJAJA DONT TAKE ME WRONG I DO HAVE COMPLAINS BUT I DONT CRY FOR EVERYTHING WHAT I DO
    I TAKE MY TIME AND GO TO THE TRAINING AND A DRESS MY ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO MARTIN THE PLAYERS OR HUNTER AND CUE BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY WITH BASES NO SOLO HABLAR POR HABLAR

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  21. hrothgarofsocal

    Apr 22, 2007
    Union Ultras
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    I've always felt that "blind" (maybe not the best choice of words) loyalty was part of REALLY supporting a team. The teams that I follow (I feel your pain Oddlou) don't have much of a success rate, so I might be conditioned to surviving droughts, but come on - if you are a fan or supporter, have a little faith.
    My brother Chivamayor mentioned that he deals with issues by bringing them up with the team, coaching staff, and FO.... of course, this route may not work for everyone but at least it's possible. One of the biggest reasons to be loyal to this organization is the fact that the players, staff, and front office ARE accessible.

    Before you get defensive.... I don't really want to complain about the complainers, as you have every right to voice your opinion - especially here.

    I'm of the opinion that the only real time to get pissed off and demand changes is when a team gives up - IMO, I haven't seen this ever happen at any level with CUSA. (I didn't pay attention to 2005 though, so can't speak for that squad)
    As for me - I'll keep believing that we'll win some matches this year - and maybe even some silverware! But, if not - that's ok too. We'll get 'em next year!
     
  22. MARCH_

    MARCH_ Member

    Aug 16, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Everyone has their on opinion about this club, the FO, and our current situation. Martin has been with team club for 6 months, but it doesn't change the fact that we are in last plays. And it doesn't conceal Martin inability to properly coach this team.

    I still love and will support CUSA. Venting your frustration can't hurt either.
     
  23. oddlou

    oddlou Member

    May 12, 2008
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Honestly, the only thing I am "crying" about is the lack of effort and want-to from the FO. Martin hasn't been perfect, but he doesn't have the best roster to deal with and he hasn't had much time to put his mark on the team. I'm of the view that coaches should get a couple of years before they get canned. The players are trying, but often, they're just not as good as the teams they're playing against. As for talking to Martin or Hunter or Cue...sorry to burst your bubble, but they don't give a crap. If it makes you feel better that they don't call security on you and "listen" to you...ok, congrats. You're making a HUGE difference.

    They care about their bottom line, that's obvious. That's fine,it's their business. I get it. But that's why their business has lost my season tickets purchase this year and probably next year, too. When I see them willing to spend with the other teams in the league, I'll gladly spend a couple of g's for tix for my family.

    I haven't lost hope in the team quite yet, but my faith in the FO is severely strained.
     
  24. FloridaFC2MLS

    FloridaFC2MLS Member

    Oct 17, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    its hard to come on Chivas' threads as a MLS neutral because there is always a complaint about how bad the FO is and why god let Chivas Guad. be your owner, lol. its dissapointing for me to be honest. If you look at this squad, it would be such an excellent team if you could get a creative central mid as a DP. one of the wings is also a question, padilla:confused:, but its like im being unrealistic by saying they will bring in 2 more players....i hate to say it, but i will be amazed if CUSA bring in two more players

    im hoping CUSA gets a creative CM DP however and i think that maybe a possibility
     
  25. EastLAChiva

    EastLAChiva Member

    Jun 26, 2007
    Section 138
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This thread.....
    No toilet Pic
    FAIL !!
     

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