Vermes Needs to go, he is in way over his head.

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  1. spinman

    spinman Member

    Nov 21, 2009
    Kansas City
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.downthebyline.com/2010/06/spent.html

    Mike address's some of the issues. Below is what I said in the comment's section.

    "Anybody that knows this game, knows that Peter Vermes is and has been over his head from day one.

    The guy is a high level youth coach, possibly a top assistant on a USL 1 or maybe MLS side. But he lacks the ability to get his team to have a constant tactical approach."

    I will also add, that just because you played @ a high level does not mean you can coach MEN @ a high level.

    A change has to come @ the end of this season if not sooner.
     
  2. rainbowwigwizard

    rainbowwigwizard New Member

    Nov 1, 2004
    I feel the same way Mike does. I originally felt Vermes deserved a full season, but if things don't turn around soon, a change will have to be made so that progress is seen before the new stadium opens. I thought making Davy captain was a mistake, and he is having another disappointing season and clearly shows that he does not have the temperament to be an on-field captain. Vermes made this decision so he could impose his way on the team and this is the result.
     
  3. NorthbankHighbury

    Jan 25, 2009
    Liberty, MO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    As I have said, to hell with pie in the sky DP attempts. Use the money for a legit coach with a proven track record. This is MLS, we don't need superstars to win ... just solid coaching, man management, player development and a modicum of tactical awareness. We might not find this in the USA outside of Houston and LA but this squad has the potential and is punching far below it's weight.
     
  4. Felixx219

    Felixx219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 8, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The shiny new stadium might go a long way in attracting a quality coach.
     
  5. NorthbankHighbury

    Jan 25, 2009
    Liberty, MO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Fabio Capello might be free soon
     
  6. Felixx219

    Felixx219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 8, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bob Bradley as well
     
  7. j_m_t

    j_m_t Member

    Aug 27, 2005
    KC
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    Kansas City Wizards
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    United States
    domenech and lipi as well :D:rolleyes:
     
  8. Gorski

    Gorski Member

    Jan 14, 2009
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What you don't want Sven??
     
  9. Spoon

    Spoon Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    Overland Park Ks
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is my line.


    PV is way in over his head ever since he came on as the interm gaffer. Everything was to quick and fishy and I had a real doubts about him being a good coach. There should have been some kind of spark from this team with a new coach, but nothing really has changed. The team still has no real life or spark in there. Our new captain thinks he can run his mouth and wack people at will. Not really what you want from your captain, heaven forbid he helps out with a goal or two. The guy may hustle but that is really all that he brings to the table. this team has alot of issues and by putting a bid on a new player isn't going to get us over the hump. Seriously "boom goes the dynamite" and the technical staff really needs to be blown up.
     
  10. Spoon

    Spoon Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    Overland Park Ks
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No thank you we will pass on "it"
     
  11. j_m_t

    j_m_t Member

    Aug 27, 2005
    KC
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    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    just wasn't positive about him leaving IC...that is all
     
  12. Hexenmeister

    Hexenmeister Member

    Aug 9, 2000
    Kearney, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I would be all for Bob Bradley replacing PV.

    I'm not a huge fan of his as USMNT coach, but he's a proven success in MLS.

    Plus, we've had a pretty good history with coaches named Bob.
     
  13. Roush

    Roush Member

    Dec 19, 2001
    Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seriously... Would anyone have ever expected after our first two games that we would only muster six more points in the next 10 matches, and that we would be in danger of being in last place in the LEAGUE and eliminated from the playoffs by the All-Star break?
     
  14. Moufwash

    Moufwash New Member

    May 26, 2009
    Prairie Village
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dont think he is in over his head, I think he is inept. I wasnt impressed with what he did at the club level locally as a whole and his current job speaks for itself.

    I would love for someone to tell me about some coaching job he did that was amazing, as it looks as though we are stuck with him for at least this season, but im pretty negative in this regard.
     
  15. Spoon

    Spoon Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    Overland Park Ks
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I did, because the first game was inflated. DC was in shambles and it gave a lot of wizards fans false hope and optimism. We didn't play very good we just punished DC when they gave us chances. The next game was very ho-hom but we did the business, which is nice. Then we went away and really showed our true selves and haven't looked back since.
     
  16. kcscsupporter

    kcscsupporter Member+

    Apr 17, 2002
    D17
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    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    dear god.
     
  17. Hexenmeister

    Hexenmeister Member

    Aug 9, 2000
    Kearney, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    You have a problem with his record in MLS?
     
  18. Jough

    Jough Member+

    Jul 30, 2007
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Interim coach" implies some one better on the way. I really hope that's true. Honestly, Vermes seems to have taken a big gamble on taking the job. While I was glad to see him decline offers and thought he had done a good job with signings, this has been the team that he helped put together. Either he can't run it, or it's not the right team. Either way, he needs to step back...
     
  19. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The interim tag was removed last offseason. No one better is coming unless Vermes is fired.
     
  20. Chairman Mau

    Chairman Mau Member

    Jul 4, 2007
    Birdland
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    i was upset when we hired him. shows we don't want to go out and spend money for a real coach.

    on top of that, he's fallen into the same problem onalfo did, in his own way.

    onalfo talked about "exciting, attacking soccer" and did that his first couple years, with some help from ej... but then stopped drafting and starting players that fit that idea set, and you started noticing less one-on-one aggressive play and more (bad) passing.

    vermes did all this recruiting from unlikely places to get a good young squad together... but then stopped playing the young guys, now you got josh wolff out there watching the match from the closest spectator seats in the stadium. i'd have been willing to sacrifice our record this year and keep these young guys on the field getting more experience. plus, i have no idea what motivates his substitutions.
     
  21. Felixx219

    Felixx219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 8, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dont think money is the issue. I think OnGoal thought they were doing the right thing when they decided to give Vermes a shot this season. Honestly, I dont fault them for giving him a shot. He brought all this talent here and they thought he could get them to play. I think many of us thought the same thing. It is hard to predict how someone is going to perform.

    But, it isnt working and with the new stadium coming, it is important to get a winning product on the field ASAP.

    Firing a coach mid-season rarely turns things around in any sport. But, we do have Zambrano that has head coaching experience that could step in as an interim coach.

    I just dont know if OnGoal wants to fire a coach mid-season for the 2nd season in a row.
     
  22. KCDEFENDER

    KCDEFENDER New Member

    May 9, 2007
    SW MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not saying he isnt over his head but I don't think we need to change coaches in the middle of the season. We have to put some of this blame on the players themselves! It was already said before but our Captain isn't being a great leader! True he is a hustler, but he isn't much of a finisher except on getting shown a red and sent off. Does the team no good!!! I say we stay with PV until the end of season and go from there. Maybe Jimmy can talk with DA while he sits and explain to him the fundamentals of being a a true Captain.
     
  23. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The thing is we were 3-6-3 with Vermes last season when he took over as coach with "Onalfo's guys". This past offseason he made over a lot of the roster bringing in more of "his" players, getting rid of many of "Onalfo's". What's the result? We're 3-6-3 again.

    I originally was in the group that you at least give Vermes the season, but I'm tired of these spineless, gutless performances. Three times this year we've been played off the field losing by 3 goals (Houston, RSL, NY). At least under Onalfo we only had 1 of those games a season.

    Yes some of it falls on the players (like our complete inability to create chances inside the penalty area) but it also needs to reflect on the coach. We have a grand total of 6 points out of 30 from the last 10 games. SIX! Vermes has picked up a total of 24 points from the 24 games he's been in charge, 1 point per game. That's not good enough.
     
  24. kfb5926

    kfb5926 Member

    Sep 9, 2009
    Prairie Village, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This season has convinced me it's bad to have one individual be both the coach and in charge of personnel. I actually liked a lot of the offseason personnel moves, but you generally don't just fire someone in one capacity and allow them to retain part of their job.

    As it stands, we'll have to make two good hires if we want to clean up this mess.

    It worries me to think we're going to open a new stadium with this horrible of a team. The optimist in me hopes we're a designated player and a defender away from at least watchable soccer.
     
  25. Felixx219

    Felixx219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 8, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think another factor is that we are really under the same regime as we have been since 2007. Vermes is just another leg of the same thing we have had. It is time to clean house with the technical staff and start over from the top down.

    I do think we should keep whatever scouts found Auvray, Smith, and Neilsen because they did a damn fine job.

    It is really hard to find a coach mid-season but as I said before, Zambrano can step in and give it a shot while we search.
     

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