First of all, most of the blame needs to go to the assistant rather than the referee. Secondly, I think we're all in agreement that there was a massive mistake made here. But I think there is benefit to keeping this thread analytical, rather than having it turn into just another thread where people slag off the referee. Not because we want to protect him, but because the thread will actually be more useful to posters that way. I mean, if you go to the WC board or the Mexican board you will find hundreds of posts abusing the officials. People are coming here for something different to that - information and analysis.
He should have shown some balls and overturned the decisions after Tevez started celebrating ,even overruled his assistant. He did not have the guts to do that.It was pretty clear from any angle that tevez was offside.
Oh boy can't wait to show up in the office tomorrow. I'll be put on the defensive from the git go by my newly self-appointed ref co-workers.
Univision just showed a fracas on the bench at the half? anyone see this? there is a tall tree which blocks my directv abc feed so I have to watch the games on univision
Feel bad for Rosetti. Probably the best European ref since Collina's retirement and he might not ever get a game past the round of 16 in the World Cup.
Question: lets say that the AR missed it and Rosetti some how learned of the offisdes by virtue of bigscreen replay. Is it that simply there is no mechanism at that point for him to procedurally overrule the AR? More generally, can a ref overrule an AR who has gotten an offisides call wrong?
Why look at the replay? The only real reason the assistant could have is that he thought tevez did not touch the ball and thus was not involved in play(even that is iincorrect and inept). But after he sees tevez celebrating ,and claiming the goal it is clear that he touched it. He could have just showed some common sense and changed the decision then. And besides it is the referee's duty along with the assistant to know tevez touched the ball or not.And if he did his job properly and say tevez touching the ball then he should have communicated the input to the assistant.
Yes, a referee can overrule his assistant. The referee's decision is final, not the assistant referees. Once the ball has been put back in to play, in this case by way of a kick-off, there's no going back. But, if something in that conference had convinced Rosetti that the goal should not stand, he would be able to change the restart from a kick-off to an IFK for Mexico.
What is even worse is that Tevez was offside also on the initial ball played by messi. Though marginal ,unlike the second chip by messi where it was clear even live on tv that he was offside.
The push on Heinze should have been a caution, I think...hopefully the Mexican players will calm down during the second half, but I understand their frustration.
unfortunately I have only seen one replay, but there seemed to be a lot of players moving and then you have the GK advanced beyond two other defenders. So it is not difficult to see how/why the AR was out of position and missed it. Of course he should do better, but it was a pretty dynamic play, no.
Rosetti's my favorite ref, but he's got to whip out a yellow card for the two handed push on the defender. Rosetti can't overrule unless he's 100% sure. They just showed the replay again at halftime and the AR and is nowhere close to the second to last defender.
Ah NO it didn't. They did not show Zidane's head to chest butt on the big screen in Berlin Olympic Stadion.
according to the LOTG, a referee may change a decision before play has been restarted. Thus, before the kickoff, the referee may change his mind. Of course, the first thing I noticed about the goal was the AR snap his flag upfield and sprint to indicate good goal. he seemed very sure of himself that Tevez did not get a touch.
I really hoped that mexico would have the guts to stop playing and turn the game into a farce. That would have put this incident as the main spotlight of the world cup and put pressure on incompetent blatter and FIFA. But now by continuing the game they are just lessening the pressure to correct these utter utter incopetencies.
I still can't totally blame the AR in the ENG v GER game for the no goal call. At the shot, he was were he was suppose to be and simply could not get there fast enough to be completely sure. ENG v GER game was a call for goal line technology or goal line ARs instead of correcting AR mistake. But, this game is a call for something to change in the ability to correct an obvious referee error that tremendously effects the game.
Even from that angle it would have been clear that tevez was offside.it was even from the Tv broadcast camera angles. The Assistant clearly missed tevez touching the ball. But it was also the referee's duty to tell him whether he touched it or not.Specially after seeing him celebrate they should have got to know if they had any competency. Turning the decision around needed balls then ,the referee showed none. But another incopetency is that even if Tevez was deemed to not touch the ball ,he was clearly interfering with the play and it was as much as the referee's duty to make that judgement than his assistants. What is worse was tevez was marginall offside on the first ball as well. in short utter farce of a decision.
Here, here... exactly put! Lets maintain civility on this board. I do all my ranting on FB! LOL I come here to listen to each of us share our analysis and learn a few things too!
Is the concept of "serial persistent infringement" not a FIFA construct? Multiple Mexican players have been taking turns fouling L. Messi. He has suffered at least 7 fouls so far. When if ever does it get recognized and dealt with?
Honestly, I'm not sure that's not the right thing to do. Yes, its against the rules, but aren't the point of the rules to play the game fairly. If the ref finds out before the restart that his call was wrong, no matter how he found out, shouldn't he change his decision?