Analysis: USA-ALG - De Bleeckere (BEL)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2010: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 21, 2010.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Match #38 - USA v. Algeria, Group C
    Referee: De Bleeckere (BEL)
    Assistant 1: Hermans (BEL)
    Assistant 2: Vromans (BEL)
    Fourth Official: Mohd Salleh (MAS)
     
  2. o5iiawah

    o5iiawah Member

    Oct 31, 2008
    Yes! a great referee. Now we can just leave it up to our players
     
  3. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed we are lucky to have him in this match. Thank God.
     
  4. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    He reffed US-Switzerland in 2007. I remember that being a physical match with the ref letting some tough challenges go.
     
  5. dclark5ref

    dclark5ref New Member

    Jun 21, 2010
    USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The fourth official from MAS... is the you, MASsachusettsRef??? MAS = Massachusetts?

    Just kidding around some!!

    DeBleeckere certainly has a better pedigree for this level of a match than Coulibaly.
     
  6. vetshak

    vetshak Member+

    May 26, 2009
    Minnesota
    Uh, Salleh is the 4th official who sat there and did nothing while Dunga agitated his players in the Brazil-Ivory Coast game.

    Of course, odds are that Bob Bradley will not do anything similar.:)
     
  7. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    I've always liked DB. Seems to actually talk to the players from what I recall.
     
  8. pumpkinpie

    pumpkinpie Member

    Aug 12, 2008
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    De Bleekere is one of the guys that I think has to be considered for the final if he is elgible. Seems to like FIFA wants to take all the focus off the referee by appointing him to the match. Thank god now when i go to watch the game Wednesday morning the furthest thing from my mind will be whether some guy from Mali that one time refereed some U17 national teams is going to lose his mind and hallucinate!
     
  9. srsmith111

    srsmith111 Member

    Jun 10, 2010
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Interesting thought. Did FIFA assign a known strong referee to this match in recognition that there was at least reasonably perceived unfairness from the last official? Or did they assign a known strong referee to this match becuase the perception is that the USA is a bunch of difficult to control ruffians that will need a firm hand?
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They assigned a strong referee because either team could go through and--thus far--their practice has been to put UEFA referees on matches that involve two European teams or zero European teams. This was always going to be a UEFA referee who's done matches deep into the UCL. I'm incredibly thankful it's De Bleeckere (Kassai or Rosetti would have been other good options) and not Benquerenca or Undiano Mallenco or even Stark.
     
  11. refmedic

    refmedic Member

    Sep 22, 2008
    Don't count our chickens before they hatch. Although De Bleeckere is a consistently great referee, the law of averages says that even the best will have a bad match. Let's hope that everything goes off without a hitch, but stranger things have happened. If someone told me at the beginning of the tournament that all we would have to do to advance is beat Algeria, I would have laughed hysterically, but here we are. Lots of strange thing shave been happening during this tourmament, so it's not inconceivable that something goes awry.
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is dead-on.

    More importantly, given what's gone on thus far in the tournament for us, we have to remember that De Bleeckere is going to call the game as he should. That means that (taking all these incidents in a vacuum)... the mugging of Terry would earn a penalty against us (assuming the ball is in play), the Dempsey elbow would definitely be a yellow and probably a red, and Findley would have been sent off for his tackle vs. England.

    De Bleeckere isn't going to feel that he "owes" us anything. He's out to do his job as he's in the mix to work the Final. If we are the team that commits the misconduct and infringements, we will be the team that gets penalized. It's time to erase all memory of previous matches.
     
  13. refontherun

    refontherun Member+

    Jul 14, 2005
    Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just hope Dempsey doesn't pull another stunt like he did in the first few minutes of the Slovenia game. De Bleekere won't hesitate to toss him.
     
  14. UPinSLC

    UPinSLC Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    SL,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    hopefully the opposite is true as well, the two NASTY tackles by the english would have been reds, the slovenian take down of jozy outside the box would have been a DOG red, and there would have been at least 1 pk in the US vs slovenia game.

    just call it even and both ways, no imaginative calls, nothing out of thin air. call it by the book, on both teams and i will be fine.
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Other than the Altidore take-down, I think this is mostly true.

    I haven't found a referee yet who has said Altidore's foul was red-worthy. As much as I wanted it to be a send off, I think Coulibaly got that right.

    Also, the Gerrard foul was very borderline. Definite yellow. Red is possible in this tournament, but certainly not clear-cut.

    Carragher would have walked, though, and we would have had a penalty if the third goal didn't go in the net vs. Slovenia.
     
  16. vetshak

    vetshak Member+

    May 26, 2009
    Minnesota
    Four years ago I would have said we were in safe hands with Marcus Merk in the middle for the Ghana game, then he brain-farted on that PK call and stripped the life out of the US team. Anybody can make a mistake at any time.
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Think he was level.

    EDIT: Maybe he was just off. Camera angle isn't perfect.
     
  19. CravenCrew

    CravenCrew New Member

    Mar 23, 2010
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Boy was that close. US sure isn't getting the benefit of the doubt are they?
     
  20. HowardF64

    HowardF64 New Member

    Jul 7, 2009
    Wow, the commentators are on the offside like it was as bad as the phantom foul call from the last match.
     
  21. chaoslord08

    chaoslord08 Member

    Dec 24, 2006
    Fayetteville AR
    Club:
    West Bromwich Albion FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think his leg has him off.

    But my friends aren't understanding this (possible explanation) by text. Hard knock life being the ref in the fan group sometimes! Haha.
     
  22. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seriously? Bad decision by the AR.
     
  23. intechpc

    intechpc Member

    Sep 22, 2005
    West Bend, WI
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Last camera angle they showed was pretty clear, he was on. Think the AR crapped himself after the ball deflected off the keeper and only then saw Dempsey and by then he was behind the defender.
     
  24. ProfZodiac

    ProfZodiac Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought his foot was off. Part of the body that can play the ball is off, the player is off. Good call from my perspective.
     
  25. midmogooner

    midmogooner Member

    May 17, 2007
    I agree. At least one of the camera angles suggested that.
     

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