Match 29: Brazil Cote x d'Ivoire Post Game

Were you all Brazilians? That might have something to do with it .

First one maybe wasn't blatant but the second one was and he gained an advantage on the defender because of his handball.

That's why it's weird that nobody said anything. Defenders tend to complain about even minor things. 2 handballs inside the area and not one said anything? Very strange. But that's just me.

 

All this talk of "lack of intention" somehow justifying the most pathetic missed call i've seen at this world cup is, in itself... pathetic.

 

look at the second one, the "blatant"



It's almost legal, so it's understandable that on the run of play people miss it.
I'm not saying the play was valid, just that it was hard to call.

Much harder than the african Kung Fu, for example

 

It's also easy to see a ref touching his arm then laughing when speaking to the player who just handled the ball twice and thinking there is something funny. I clearly wasn't the only one who that was was very very weird so it's not like I'm alone in what I say.

Disagree but thats mostly down to opinion. To me Elano's goal came after the worst defending I've seen so far.

I give credit when it's due like during most of the second part of the CONMEBOL qualifiers and Brazil looked very good. I've also said that this defense is probably the best I've ever seen from Brazil. And Fabiano's first goal has been one of the best of the cup so far.

That said I don't agree that Brazil played very well but they were clearly better and deserved the result.

 

The first goal came after a bad defense mistackle which gave Kaka the chance to make the short pass, the second goal had 2 handballs and it was also bad defending by the CB's, the third goal caugh the defender sleeping inside the area for whatever reason while Elan easily slipped by him.

Kaka did well but it doesn't take away from the fact that they were errors.

Maybe because it's down to something you don't see everyday. What happened was a mistake by the ref, when that happens you generallly don't seem him laughing right afterwards when talking to the player that was involved in the questionable call. There's a reason people look at it suspicious.

 

I didn't see many dives as 'some' are saying here.What I did saw were very hard/dirty fouls by IC players.

 

Gotta rep you for that.

 

I will make one post before retiring for the evening.

Some of you here and in other forums have stated about the death of "jogo bonito." Well, if those of you who are harping about this so-called fact were paying any attention since Dunga took over the Brazilian national team virtually FOUR YEARS AGO after Germany 2006, you would have long known that this coach does not prioritize flashy or swashbuckling play. His goal is to win and to have a sturdy defense.

Furthermore, any of you who had any knowledge about Dunga's background as a defensive midfielder and his role in the 1994 Brazilian World Cup title team would not be surprised that his philosophy has been one of building a team starting from the defense.

The process was painful and cumbersome at times, but it worked - look at all the titles we won under him and at the teams we beat.

Go decry the death of "jogo bonito" all you want - there are plenty of us Brazilians who like the team the way Dunga has it playing, not only because it's only lose FIVE times since he took over, but because of the results - and also because on occasion we will have flashes of brilliance.

Brazil was BRILLIANT today - much better than against North Korea. The Ivory Coast is a physically stronger and more talented team, and yet we did our vintage Dunga-style thing today, solid in defense and reliable in possession. I was never alarmed because the team recovered the football easily almost every time. What's wrong with proper ballhandling and keeping the ball away from the opponent? You can't win if you don't have the football and we had it aplenty during 90 minutes.

The goal is to win - especially in a short competition like the World Cup, and we've won 2 of our games thus far.

 

Not exactly one of Brazil's shining moments, but a win's a win.....
What's up with this Kaka guy?
He sure is pretty, but also seems to be a little bit of a prick.
Handball or no handball.....I'd say the first time - when the ball hits Fabiano's elbow from above - was accidental, the second (shoulder)....dunno.
Is a shoulder considered a 'hand'?

 

The shoulder is legal, but he also used his arm a little.
See how hard it was for the ref? Everybody sees something different.

 

I've seen the replay today, and i'm not convinced that this was a handball. It seemed to me that he used it's shoulder, but it's possible that Fabiano touched slightly with his arm. A tough decision for the referee and an acceptable one.

 

you might be not convience, but Fabiano himself already admitted
this wasnt shoulder

 

Ok. I haven't seen any clarifying image until now. But truly demanding from a referee to see a handball like that isn't reasonable, in my opinion. Thats why i think his decision wasn't terrible. I've seen the replay on television and that didn't clarify me.

 

You are both crazy.

the brasil hater : brasil wil win the world cup and anyone who really understands about soccer can see the danger of their apparently "bad game"

to the messi hater: you are just plain silly. Messi is the greatest player in the world. I am a brasilian before you waste people's time claiming otherwise, and anyone who loves soccer, loves to watch the man play. As a brasilian, i rather never win another world cup if that meant another messi would be born every other day in argentina. it is a pleasure to watch the man play.