What do you think should be Ecuador Starting Lineup from now on

Discussion in 'Ecuador' started by Ladic, May 16, 2010.

  1. Ladic

    Ladic Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    Guayaquil
    after getting rid of the old guard, who would you put in a starting lineup?

    here is mine

    [LINEUP-4-4-2]Benitez,Tenorio, Montero, Castillo, Noboa, Valencia, Ayovi, J.Hurtado, J.Campos, Ibarra, Elizaga [/LINEUP-4-4-2]
     
  2. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Tenorio is another one of the old guys that needs to forget about the NT.


    Dominguez; Ibarra, Campos, J.Hurtado, Ayovi/Nazareno; Valencia, Castillo, Noboa, Arroyo/Mendez; Montero, ?????
     
  3. Ladic

    Ladic Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    Guayaquil
    Tenorio just turned 31, but I think he is still better than any of the strikers we have, given that he isn't injured again.
     
  4. Pepe-Silvia

    Pepe-Silvia New Member

    May 14, 2010
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    [LINEUP-4-4-2]mandez/montero,caicedo,guerron,castillo,noboa,valencia,ayovi,campos,hurtado,ibarra,dominguez[/LINEUP-4-4-2]

    so my formation would bea 4-5-1 with either mendez or montero as an offensive midfielder with freedom to roam either side and work off the wingers. Felipe Caicedo ( i know what youre thinking) has been playing well for malaga and i think will do well with the talented playmakers around him. As for Guerron. I think hes a very dangerous player who benefits from playing in space not as a striker like hes used in brazil.
    Valencia and Guerron will provide tons of speed on the outside while Mendez or Montero can set plays up or make plays themselves. Noboa and castillo are solid in the middle and can both get on the offensive especially Noboa. The defense will finally have some youth and Ibarra has looked real good. Ayovi will be there by default, i mean hes not a very good defender but his crosses and long distance shots are very good and his free kicks are very very dangerous.
     
  5. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Your starting 11 should be a team whose players are hitting their peak in 4 years. So, players in the 21-24 range would be ideal.

    Someone who's 31 now would be 35 by Brazil 2014. You can still use him, but sparingly, as a sub to help the young ones.

    ----------------------------Mora/Dominguez-------------------------------
    Ibarra/Camacho--J. Hurtado/M. Castro--Campos/Mendez--Nazareno/Guerron
    ---------------P. Quinones/Villalba-----Hidalgo/Noboa-----------------------
    Valencia/M. Quinonez/Montero--------------------Caicedo/Arroyo/Matamoros
    ----------------Benitez/Preciado--------Guerron/Rojas----------------------

    All those guys will be 25-29 for the next WC finals. But they should start working together now, IMHO.
     
  6. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Thank you! The only 2 guys that are 31 or 32 years old that I'd have NOW as starters are Mendez and Ayovi simply because they still got a little bit more in them that will be helpful to the midfield and the defense. Tenorio's 31, but his times up EVEN if he's the best striker we have. Giving Tenorio a starting position is basically cheating ourselves. Why? b/c we're holding back the next young guy from coming up and proving himself. And this is the SAME EXACT problem we had 4 years back before beginning this Qualifier. The minutes/experience these young guys should get begin NOW, not next year and not during the Qualifier. NOW.
     
  7. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    Should be something like that except no Tenorio. We can't rely on his health, and he's not going to be around in 4 years. Right now the favorites for that spot are Quinonez and Caicedo. I'd go with Caicedo because he seems to be maturing, and now that Malaga has survived I wouldn't be surprised if they keep him on for next year to continue in La Liga.
     
  8. viagoal

    viagoal Member

    Jan 5, 2005
    This is definitely the squad we need to play. I would add Banguera and Bolanos.
     
  9. cristian1mv

    cristian1mv Member

    Jul 6, 2005
    [LINEUP-4-4-2]Christian Benitez, Felipe Caicedo,
    Jefferson Montero, Christian Noboa, Joffre Guerron, Luis Valencia,
    Isaac Mina, Jefferson Hurtado, Jairo Campos,Miguel Ibarra,
    Dominguez [/LINEUP-4-4-2]

    im putting mina becuse i dont know who else to put there so thats an open spot i guess
     
  10. Quilotoa

    Quilotoa Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Brasilia, Brazil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I would say Rojas and Benitez are equal competitors for the left striker role and maybe Arroyo. Preciado needs more call ups to see if he could play up front and also Marlon de Jesus needs to be seen as he would be 22 at the time of the next world cup. I think Caicedo should be the option only if some younger guys are unable to fill the shoes.

    Dominguez

    Ibarra-----------J. Hurtado--------J. Campos--------Ayovi/Mina


    Valencia---------Noboa--------Mendez-----------Montero


    de Jesus----------Rojas/Arroyo


    We really need to call up these young guys to figure something out for forwards before the next qualifiers and this needs to happen NOW. No way can we rely upon Benitez and Caicedo to put on the yellow and score goals, we know what happens then. I think they still have a place but get some young guys in there now and see what can happen.
     
  11. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    you ever heard of Giovanni Nazareno?
     
  12. viagoal

    viagoal Member

    Jan 5, 2005
  13. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I also see Diego Calderon fitting into the puzzle well...the guy can play on the left if asked.

    Also, Carlos Tenorio would be a great sub even late into his career....look at Inzaghi over at Milan, he's over 35 I think. Age doesn't necessarily mean they have to be cut off the team, but it's pretty evident that for some of our guys, they're slowing down and not at their same level, and when it's becoming a consistent trend such as Hurtado's continuous blunders, then we know it's time to go. Obviously it's la Sombra Espinoza, UDLC, Ivan Hurtado and Ivan Kaviedes. But Tenoiro, Mendez, and even Reasco can still contribute in some way or another.
     
  14. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    yeah Calderon should be added to the squad, not sure if as a starter though. Nazareno offers more to the attack. Calderon is better at defense than Nazareno. tough decision.

    I think Reasco time is up too. You been watching our team play lately (LIGA)? Reasco from this season is no where near the level of Reasco from last season. I never see him make a run to throw a center in. He passes the ball back 90% of the time he has possession. Also, one reason Liga has been playing slow is because of him. We're used to having an explosive Reasco from one end of the field to the other. And I honestly can say I haven't seen that. Hence, Liga's slow mobility when attacking. Right now Miguel Ibarra> Reasco. By next year, Reasco might not even be starting in Liga.
     
  15. Ladic

    Ladic Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    Guayaquil
    Escuador A:

    [LINEUP-4-4-2]Cristian Benitez, Carlos Tenorio, Jefferson Montero, Segundo Castillo, Cristian Noboa, Antonio Valencia, Walter Ayovi, Jefferson Hurtado, Jairo Campos, Miguel Ibarra, Marcelo Elizaga[/LINEUP-4-4-2]


    Ecuador B:

    [LINEUP-4-4-2]Felipe Caicedo, Joao Rojas, Michel Arroyo, Fernando Hidalgo, Edison Mendez, Joffre Guerron, Giovanni Nazareno, Diego Calderon, Jose Luis Perlaza, Neicer Reascos, Maximo Banguera/Alexander Dominguez [/LINEUP-4-4-2]
     
  16. cristian1mv

    cristian1mv Member

    Jul 6, 2005
    well no not really i saw some people put him in the line up but i wasnt sure it was a jose valencia like player who people just put in the lineup becuse they think he will become good. and also i dont think mendez or tenorio should be taken in acount for the next qualifiers both of them are going to be 34-35 by that time theres no way we can count on them specially with us having better players to fill in.
     
  17. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    again...age doesn't automatically count a player out. Look at a guy like Maldini or Inzhagi. Even Beckham for England. When you're older you work your ass off, but that's okay. If you got the quality and consistency, you prove yourself worthy. Guys like Hurtado and Espinoza are proving constantly that they need to be replaced because they make huge mistakes that cost us points, and in effect, were the causes of our elimination from world cup qualifying contention. Mendez still has a lot to give, and it's still speculative to see how he plays as the years go by, but even Cocu for Holland was a dinosaur before he retired from club and NT play.
     
  18. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I think we can achieve something in Copa America with Lineup A. I'd replace Tenorio with Rojas. We probably could get more out of Mendez if he doesn't get lost in Brazil.
     
  19. cristian1mv

    cristian1mv Member

    Jul 6, 2005
    idk if mendez is going to have that much dedication for the NT when hes not starting didn't he consider retirement from the national team already?
     
  20. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    well if Mendez is a part of the NT, he should start. that is, if he's in shape to. If he is not, then his time is definitely up and he shouldn't even be included in the squad. but yeah, your right I have a feeling he wouldn't even care about the NT if he'd be on the bench. Mendez is a cocky character.
     
  21. damnecuadorian

    Mar 11, 2007
    SF & NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    If all we do is just lose and tie only a single game, it would be an achievement that bests our two previous Copa America performances combined. :mad:

    By the way, last thing I remember hearing about Carlos Tenorio was that he was *thinking* about playing in France. Has this guy been playing at all? I honestly think we should not rely on him because of his continuous fitness problem. The only over-30 players we should keep are Mendez and Ayovi.
     
  22. sebas/Liga De Quito

    Feb 18, 2007
    Tampa, Fl
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
  23. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Carlos Tenorio is in Al Nasr and scored 18 goals this season. Right behind Jose Sand who had like 24 or 25. But at his age, I don't think Europe should be an option anymore
     
  24. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    dream come true
     
  25. Ladic

    Ladic Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    Guayaquil
    este sinverguenza hablo mal del futbol ecuatoriano cuando se fue al argentina y se olvido que antes de ir a liga no era nadie y habia fracasado en colo colo.

    creo que seria una verguenza pedirle a este senor que juegue por nosotros.

    Tengamos un poco mas de amor propio.
     

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