Octavos de Final- como ven los cruces de Copa 2010?

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  1. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Seamos objetivos, el gol es extremadamente interpretativo, hay algunos aca que lo consideran legitimo y otros no. Por lo tanto cualquier decision del arbitro vale, al igual que el primer gol de Alianza, que en una de esas el arbitro no lo cobraria.
     
  2. ROMERO879

    ROMERO879 Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    fuera mierda.

    :)
     
  3. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    ahora que diran los grones y los de la U. nos robaron? mala suerte? no pues hijos CREZCAN!
     
  4. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    el arbitro fue una reveranda M!ERDA, asi como fue alianza al no reclamar junto con la U de chile en el ultimo gol.
     
  5. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    que verguenza por mi madre y asi dices ser de cristal? apoyando a alianza? chesu.
     
  6. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Calma, hombre. Calma. Man up.
     
  7. Guti™

    Guti™ Moderator

    Mar 6, 2005
    La Victoria
    Club:
    Alianza Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Frank, just....leave...this...thread.
     
  8. CIA

    CIA Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    Club:
    Hijos de Acosvinchos
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    If the ref went to consult the linesman to make his decision, then that means the ref didn't have a good view of the play. One of two, either the linesman took it back, or the ref decided to ignore him..

    And also Suyuntu, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't an offside determined as soon as the ball parts from a player's foot?:confused: That play should have been ended right there, and everything else after that should have been invalidated for that obstruction.
     
  9. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    es que viene el aliancista de guti todo amargo a irrigar su amargura por este thread. ese moderador est furioso por lo que le paso a su equipo y todavia viene a joder. encima que reclamo lo que su equipo no reclama viene que con sus tradicionales "callate oe, largate".
     
  10. Broncano

    Broncano Moderator

    Jul 31, 2006
    Lima
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    See what everyone fails to see, even those inept guys from Fox, is that when the shot comes out there are two chilean players offside ACTIVELY participating in the play, blocking the keepers view and right on the ball's path.

    Whatever happens afterwards does not matter. The rule is very clear about that.
     
  11. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    csm ya paso. no pueden estar amargados durante lo que queda de semana. al menos ahora hay mas material para las jugadas polemicas

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PmolocUj0U"]YouTube- JB Noticias / Las Jugadas Polemicas III 2/2[/ame]
     
  12. tadm123

    tadm123 Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
  13. FARFAN 17

    FARFAN 17 Member

    Jan 29, 2005
    Back in NJ :(
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Fran you phagggot
     
  14. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oQvvxkycbI"]YouTube- Alianza empata 2 a 2 con Universidad de Chile[/ame]

    I can't say I agree with those who say those 2 players are participating or blocking the view of the goalie.
     
  15. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    y me lo dice el hinch del equipo que recibio una metidaza de p!n del otro dia en penales en sao paolo?

    por favor!
     
  16. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    You're correct, but it's not so simple.

    The players can be offside without making the play an offside call. They can be offside but not part of the play.

    Also, the moment another player of the same team touches the ball, that becomes the last touch, so far there is intention.

    Gonzalez touched the ball after Seymour. He went for it, it was intentional.

    When he touched the ball, he changed its trajectory and took the offside player going for the ball out of the play.
     
  17. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We cannot be sure. The ref most likely saw from his angle that the ball had bounced off a player from Alianza. So when he saw the lineman's flag he had to see what exactly the lineman saw. It's very likely that the lineman told him that two guys were off-side, but after hearing what the lineman had to say, the ref still determined that the goal was valid because he felt they were not involved in the play.

    But who knows? It's also possible that the ref said, "shit, if I disallow it now I don't get out of here alive", and took the cowardly way out. We'll never know.

    But if you ask me, I think the goal was a function of the ball bouncing off the defender, and the two guys who were offside were not a factor at all, they were too far from the ball to be a factor.
     
  18. FARFAN 17

    FARFAN 17 Member

    Jan 29, 2005
    Back in NJ :(
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    To me it's simple:

    2 UdC players are CLEARLY offside, and in front of the keeper, one of them is obviously in a position where the keeper has to take him into account.
     
  19. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Meanwhile, Once Caldas survived in Paraguay and advanced. Any controversies in that one?
     
  20. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Te están fregando para que te amargues más. Ignóralos, amigo.
     
  21. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Here's a video with more angles of the shot:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDc7-czYajk"]YouTube- Roban clasificación a ALIANZA LIMA Copa Libertadores 2010[/ame]

    The players aren't blocking the goalie. What ultimately defeats the goalie is the deflection of the Alianza defender.
     
  22. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    esos aliancista son de lo peor, vete acostumbrandote nomas SUYUNTUY, esos si SON BANANEROS.
     
  23. zasal911

    zasal911 Member

    Sep 1, 2000
    horrible refereeing. first alianza goal didn't go in.


    they're right in that the last goal had two UdeChile guys offside. at the same time, it went in off of an Alianza player and the U players didn't participate...

    one of those calls that could go either way...calling it a robo the way Costas has is an exageration
     
  24. Broncano

    Broncano Moderator

    Jul 31, 2006
    Lima
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Costas recien salio en TV peruana diciendo que el referi si anulo el gol pero luego se retracto.

    Lo unico cierto es que de esto se va a hablar toda la semana
     
  25. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I don't know. When they show the angle from behind the play, facing the goal -which is the angle the ref had- it looks to me like the Chilean players didn't really block the goalie's view, they were more to his right side, and the shot came from his left side. But it looks like the ball bouncing off his teammate is what actually got the goalie off the play.

    But that's one play that will probably be argued for a long time.
     

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