This is ARIS! The Continuing Quest of Freddy Adu.

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  1. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly. Left wing is gonna be Donovan. 2nd forward will be Dempsey or Davies. Freddy will not supplant either...he'll be a goal off the bench (or we're all in trouble)
     
  2. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dempsey. He's better than any possible replacement and we have better replacements for the right wing (Holden I would bet) than anybody other than Dempsey as a 2nd forward.
     
  3. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    But I mean, doesnt he play his best football frmo the wings like donovan?

    I'd think its best to keep them there, and opt for a good forward that brings what demps' does to the table, and leave him in his comfort zone, and introduce someone that can play up front.


    But personally, I'd say pay wiht a 5 man midfield, with bradley, dempsey, and Donovan all pushed up right behind altidore, with Torres and probably Clark behind them.



    --------------------------------Altidore----------------------------
    Donovan------------------------------------------------------Dempsey
    ----------------------------------------------Bradley------------------
    -----------------------Torres-----------------------------------------
    ------------------------------------------Rico------------------------

    This is what I would liike to see if we cant find someone who works up front.

    Dempsey, donovan, and bradley take turns playing up sort of like a forward, playing musical chainrs switching up positiosn, with torres coming up for cover on the left wing position if donovan goes up. Bradley and dempsey take turns going up and attacking.
     
  4. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All his goals in the Confederations Cup came after he'd moved up to forward. He's good coming forward from the midfield but if you give him freedom to roam he's best for the US at forward

    Well when you become national team coach we can give it a shot. But as of now Bob Bradley is the coach and there is no way he's going to run that formation.
     
  5. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Hmmm... we'll see though. I like Clint' in the midfield, with his passing and ability to take on defenders along with his ability to work well coming from the back forward. I keep thinking of that goal he scored on liverpool with nice work up play.
     
  6. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    this is the thing that boggles my mind sometimes. WHY? why do we have to force a partner with Jozy. forcing the likes of Cunningham and Findly into the Davies role, is quite frankly "fruitless". those guys are nowhere the level that Davies was.

    after Jozy, there's a significant drop off in terms of quality striker. while at the same time, we have a handful of attacking midfielders. why not put Jozy up top and support him with two attacking minded midfielders? Jozy is not a target forward. he's mobile and has the ability to create his own chances, don't ask him to do something he's not comfortable with.

    is Bob Bradley just not capable of putting together a 4-3-3 or a 4-5-1 game plan? is 4-4-2 the only thing he knows how to play?

    now that Davies is gone, we need to look for other game plans rather than forcing something into the same old system where the parts are not there.
     
  7. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    why not? and it sucks that no reporter/writer has the guts to ask the question.
     
  8. DMoney22

    DMoney22 Member

    Apr 7, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not that it matters, but an ESPN writer made a pretty good argument here. :D
     
  9. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Are you talking about Dempsey?
     
  10. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    that is correct.
     
  11. Napoleon_BA

    Napoleon_BA Member

    May 22, 2009
    Club:
    CA Lanús
    What about a 4-3-2-1 ?

    This seems to me to be the best formation for what you'd like to see.
     
  12. Friedel'sAccent

    Friedel'sAccent Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Providence, RI
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Folks, it's high time the national team discussion was moved over to the appropriate forum.
     
  13. arkjayback

    arkjayback Member

    Mar 29, 2008
    Le Mars, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OMFG, we have such horrible memory as fans. Horrible, horrible post.

    1. $**t, just because Bob has used the 4-4-2 lately doesn't mean he has used it the entire cycle. Examples:

    2009 vs. Costa Rica in Saprissa: boy this one sucked. On paper, it started out as a 4-3-3. As soon as they figured out Wynne and Beasley couldn't handle the increased fullback responsibilities for this formation, it turned in to a 4-5-1 as Donovan and Dempsey drifted further back. Not only were they negated in midfield, but I thought that would have been enough evidence to show Altidore is not a target striker.
    2009 vs. Mexico in Columbus: this definitely was not a set 4-4-2. Beasley, Dempsey, and Donovan floated all over the field. This formation was more like a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-1-1.
    2008 vs. Argentina at Giants Stadium: once again, Donovan, Beasley, and Dempsey all on the field. Adu replaced Dempsey in the 61st, making it even less like a 4-4-2.
    2008 vs. Spain in Santander: Freddy Adu started. Any starting lineup with Adu for the Nats has not been a traditional 4-4-2. Beasley replaced him making it a 4-5-1 until Wolff came in later, making it a 4-4-2 though.
    2008 vs. Sweden at the HDC: Noonan started with Twellman. Definitely not a traditional 4-4-2.
    2007 vs. South Africa at Ellis Park: I can't remember the exact formation, but I know a front 6 of Feilhaber, Edu, AND Bradley with Dempsey, Beasley, and Adu IS NOT A 4-4-2. Feilhaber was not a wide player at the time and there is no pure striker in that lineup.

    2. JOZY ALTIDORE IS NOT A TARGET STRIKER. I'm not sure what else it is going to take to shove this fact down people's throats. He is not a target striker for the national team and Phil Brown has figured out that he is not a target striker for them either.

    3. Jozy Altidore is currently our best healthy striker. Ya know when he is most dangerous? When he has a good strike partner. Ya know when Davies was most effective with the national team? Paired with Altidore.

    4. Space. Donovan showed that he is most dangerous for the US on the wing because he finally has the space and freedom to run at defenders. 5 midfielders takes away some of that space.
     
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  14. Rainer24

    Rainer24 Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What arkjayback said.
     
  15. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Close the thread. Prof. arkjayback endeth the lesson.
     
  16. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We've got a new one, so I'm closing this puppy down.
     

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