Again, look up Royce Gracie. You don't get it. The fattest guy doesn't always win, not at all. But you started your argument with pointing out how Fedor doesn't look fit, b/c he is not ripped, which CLEARLY is complete non-sense. You're going in circles in your argument now to prove a point you never had in the first place.
So you are better off fighting if you're fit? Good... we agree. This guy is pretty fit to my mind. For a given fighting style particular aspects are more important. Part of the reason I've never taken much interest in these new mixed styles is because, generally speaking, it's having a clear set of rules that allow people to judge whether one person is better than another. The problem is that the rules then introduce elements that make it MORE difficult to judge whether one fighting style is better than another. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Fighting_Championship#Fouls Almost any of those are actually pretty effective as anyone who's had a few bar-fights will tell you. I'd imagine that some of the more 'unusual' styles that have been introduced will have accentuated the benefits of weight and strength, In any event none of this is relevant to the point I made that, all things being equal, people need to be fit to be effective fighters and the guy that was first pictured was simply tubby. You're the one that keeps using the phrase 'ripped'... I've only repeated it. I'm simply talking about fitness and that guy wasn't particularly fit. At least, not when that picture was taken. This guy is fit but he's not 'ripped'...
LOL, the man is possibly the best fighter in the history of MMA, yet he "looks" to you like he's not fit on that picture. Come on Andy, that's just silly. You can't judge fit by that. Also, rules have changed quite a bit since UFC 1. Things like headbutting and hair grabbing, for example, were allowed. This is in reference to your point about MMA being more like bar brawls.
As I said, I'm judging it partly by that and partly by the fact that he's barely 6ft tall and weighs over 230lb. That puts him at least 40lb over his ideal weight.
AB does have a point. Some fighters do try to make it like a bar fight, but it is proven w/ Gracie from the beginning that superior technique will always beat that knockdown & bash type fighter. You will always have fighters like Tank Abbott, Kimbo Slice, Houston Alexander, that just try to knock your block off, but if you have a bit of technique & are able to impose your will over your opponent, that will increase your chances of winning in a fight. This is why I like MMA so much. Sometimes it can be like a chess match.
All things being equal the fella with the better technique and fitness will win IF the sport is actually measuring what you think it's measuring and not just 'who's the heaviest', yes. But, anyway... two points! 1. The thing is that there are quite a few of these new 'styles' around... almost to the extent of them not being worthy of the name of a 'style'. As some of them grow others will disappear. If you have a look at pictures the early boxers you will seem fellas in a similar shape to this Fedor character... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Sullivan How do you think he'd do up against a decent middleweight now? Not very good I'd suggest. I'd imagine the same will happen when and if they settle on an agreed standard for these other fighting techniques, i.e. that the people at the top of sport will become more like boxers... more like this 'Gracie' dude. 2. Fighting technique and skill is extremely important the higher up the fighting 'levels', (for want of a better word), you go. At a certain level you can get away with simple strength and speed but as you go on you are fighting people who are equally as strong and quick BUT have greater technical ability. Based on the 'not being a total lard-arse' scale
It.doesn't.matter. There isn't one person in the WORLD who can beat him. ANYWHERE(in any weight class, he's fought all sizes). It doesn't matter if you think he's unfit. At all.
There are two fighters that I would like to see Fedor against. Shane Corwin & Brock Lesnar. I must admit, I was bit disappointed in Fedor because he chose to fight in Strikeforce & not the UFC. The UFC has better fighters in the HW division than Strikeforce & I think these fighters would provide a stronger challenge to Fedor. IMHO, Fedor ducked the UFC to avoid this challenge.
Fedor owns a big portion of Strikeforce and wouldn't be allowed to fight in it or advertise for it , that's why he didn't join UFC. He would rock Brock Lesnars world at the moment, Lesnar was almost as good as dead 6 months ago(literally). There's no discussion there. Give Brock 5 years and then it'd be a good fight for a present day Fedor. It'd be fun to watch him tap Corwin out too. The man is the always on-form Didier Drogba of MMA
... and this is speaking from your vast experience of fighting and fighting styles, is it? Oh, so now the only reason he won't fight someone is because of commercial reasons? Riiiiggghhhttt!!!!
Yes. lol. Fedor has fought and defeated every single person brought in front of him, he KO'd Andrey f'ng Arlovski in the FIRST ROUND. Fedor is unstoppable, his damn near perfect(except for a blemished loss) proves it. ...yes. Dana White has already commented on it. He will not give Fedor a 1 or 2 match contract in UFC, and also wouldn't allow him to sport anything from Strikeforce. Fedor isn't going to sign a multi-match contract, and even moreso if he can't advertise his own company. It'd be like John Terry playing for Arsenal, or Roy Keane leaving United and going to City. It doesn't make sense in any fashion. Also, I also believe he did it because he has nothing to prove, to anyone. He's already proved it in his career. (btw, if you're not being serious and playing for shits and giggles, ya got me )
Nope Renato "Babalu" Sobral went the distance w/ Fedor in 2001. This fight brings up special consideration, since Fedor outweighed Babalu. Also you are forgetting about Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (aka Minotauro), Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović, Ricardo Arona, & Semmy Schilt went the distance w/ Fedor. Don't get me wrong, Fedor is a beast, but why didn't he come to the UFC??? I think there is more competition here & a greater chance for him to find defeat. That is why he went to the lesser competition of Strikeforce. True, he would be Lesnar now. I am not so sure about Shane Corwin. I think Corwin will give Fedor a tuff fight. Don't forget about Frank Mir, Minotauro, or Gabe Gonzaga. All three of these guys have a very high skill set & would give Fedor a challenge. Just my .02
He beat all those guys, maybe dominated would be a stretch, but he definitely beat them. I already explained why he didn't join UFC
I never said Fedor lost, but you made the statement that Fedor has never got out of the first round. Those are fights that went the distance. Ok Fedor won them, but he has been challenged. You can't tell me that there is more competition in the Strikeforce Heavyweight division than in the UFC Heavyweight division. Bro, I didn't just get off the Banana boat. I watch MMA. I give props when they are due, but Fedor went to a lower promotion. You can provide reasons why he did it, but IMHO he ducked the UFC. After Fedor who can beat Shane Corwin in Strikeforce??? Hell, how can beat Frank Mir???? Ok, I give you Gabe Gonzaga, but he would be a tuff character to defeat from anyone in Strikeforce.
No, I didn't. I said he KO'd Arlovski in the first round. Secondly, I never said that there was any better competition in strikeforce than UFC. I said Fedor owns a bunch of Strikeforce, wouldn't make any money off of it by going to UFC, and he has nothing to prove to anybody. He's the best fighter in the world and no amount of bullshit that anybody says can dispute it. And who can beat Frank Mir? Vera handed his ass to him Fedor beat the best in Pride.
When you fellas say 'went the distance' IIRC that's only a few rounds, isn't it? Like, 3 or thereabouts? When they fight 12 and 15 rounds THEN we can talk.
Pride matches consisted of three rounds; the first lasted ten minutes and the second and third each lasted five minutes. It might not be as long as some of the boxing fights, but a 10-minute round is no joke.
Looking at some of the lard-arses you fellas have illustrated I'm surprised they can stand up for 10 minutes
Well, you say that but I bet he could make you his bitch... geddit? geddit? TBH the heavyweight divisions of most fighting styles are usually rubbish and that includes boxing.
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I think I would be like that host & freakout too if Fedor was choking me out. Just think what Tim Silvia was thinkin' when Fedor was chokin' him out