Soccer Stadiums: MLS vs FMF vs rest of CONCACAF

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  1. Socrates_81

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    May 27, 2008
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    Have they thrown out any other renders? It's obvious that they have plenty of room left if they did end up going that route, but I pretty much thought they were done with the TSM.
     
  2. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: MLS | FMF | rest of CONCACAF

    It's a damn shame they're ruining an otherwise awesome stadium design by putting in fake grass. :(
     
  3. Ags09

    Ags09 Member

    Club America
    Mexico
    Jun 16, 2006
    Philly
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: MLS | FMF | rest of CONCACAF

    u mean on the outside??

    yes way to fack it up...

    on the pitch though they are installing what is suppose to be half and half or some BS like that...ne ways its the same shit they use in Emirates stadium
     
  4. fdp

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    Oct 24, 2001
  5. fdp

    fdp Red Card

    Oct 24, 2001
    Re: MLS | FMF | rest of CONCACAF

    Estadio Chivas is getting Desso D-Vision. Emirates uses Desso GrassMaster.

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    Desso GrassMaster is a sports field of 100% natural grass reinforced with Desso synthetic grass fibres. The unique element of this patented reinforced natural grass system is the 20 million artificial grass fibres injected 20 cm deep into the pitch. During the growing process, the roots of the natural grass entwine with the synthetic grass fibres and anchor the turf into a stable and even field. In this way the natural grass fibres are well protected against tackles and sliding. Moreover, it ensures better drainage of the pitch. Despite the fact that 3% of the pitch is made up of synthetic grass fibres, Desso GrassMaster gives players the feeling of playing on a 100% natural grass pitch.


    Expressed in figures: Desso GrassMaster comprises 100% natural grass and 20 million individual artificial grass fibres, or 40 000 km artificial fibres, in a single field (the circumference of the globe). Desso GrassMaster has the playing capacity of 3 standard natural grass pitches and over 250 Desso GrassMaster pitches have been installed worldwide

    Top clubs like Arsenal FC, Feyenoord, Denver Broncos, Tottenham Hotspur FC and RSC Anderlecht are certainly convinced of the benefits. Desso GrassMaster is authorized both by FIFA and UEFA for top competitions.


    http://www.dessosports.com/en/desso-grassmaster/
     
  6. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: MLS | FMF | rest of CONCACAF

    So in other words, Estadio Chivas' pitch is fake grass not a fake/real hybrid.
     
  7. Ags09

    Ags09 Member

    Club America
    Mexico
    Jun 16, 2006
    Philly
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: MLS | FMF | rest of CONCACAF

    I think it might be a lil more complex than that....

    but I would think that the technology of it makes it feel like real grass
     
  8. Socrates_81

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    May 27, 2008
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    What do they use at Estadio Azteca? That grass always is nothing but perfection. Chivas should use whatever the hell they're using.
     
  9. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: MLS | FMF | rest of CONCACAF

    Fake grass is fake grass. No matter how "real" it might feel. Reading about the model they're putting in Chivas it's a rubber/sand based synthetic fiber grass not unlike your average Fieldturf field. It's not an entirely sand based synthetic assisted real grass field like Emirates in the UK or Lambeau Field in the US. And more importantly according to the company's website they don't mention that it's FIFA approved. So back to my original point, shame they're ruining an otherwise great stadium with fake grass.

    They'd be better off with a real pitch like Jalisco has or hell even Chivas USA plays on at the Home Depot Center.
     
  10. Ags09

    Ags09 Member

    Club America
    Mexico
    Jun 16, 2006
    Philly
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Natural grass but with great maintance....top of the line
     
  11. Otaku

    Otaku Member+

    Dec 9, 2003
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    real grass. Its very well taken care of.
     
  12. Socrates_81

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    May 27, 2008
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    I would dare to say that the field at Azteca is the nicest soccer pitch in the entire continent. It looks better then a lot of European fields.
     
  13. fdp

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    Oct 24, 2001
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    Playing Field

    por: Staff

    Estadio Azteca

    Aztec Stadium playing field is one of the most important in the world
    Cancha - Playing Field

    The Aztec Stadium playing field is one of the most important in the world because of its history and the great number of stars and personalities who have appeared there, such as Rey Pele, Maradona, Beckenbauer, Hugo Sanchez, and others.

    It has also welcomed stars of the artistic world… Mickel Jackson, Elton John, Gloria Estephan, Menudo, Juan Gabriel, Maná, Jaguares, etc. And even Pope Juan Pablo II in January of 1999.

    That same year, a record number of events were held in Aztec Stadium… one event every two days… soccer games, concerts, the filming of TV commercials, videos and movies, as well as religious and private events.

    How can this field take 20, 000 people walking, running and dancing on it and then be transformed into a perfect soccer field on the following day?

    Cutting edge technology is the basis of these achievements. For example, for the Teleton in December 1999, a high-impact polypropyline surface named Portapath was bought from a British manufacturer. It consists of 200,000 pieces that are assembled over a 12 hour period. This material allows the production people to work for up to a whole week before an event setting up the stage and scenery without damaging the lawn., Likewise, during the event, the public can dance and carry out other activities without doing any harm to the grass surface. The 99 Telethón ended at 3:30 Sunday morning and 12 hours later, the field was ready for the ¼ finals game between America and Guadalajara. This would have been impossible without the special surface because the field conditions would have been deplorable.

    During the rainy season the field is covered with a canvas that was bought from Canada to stop rain from soaking the field. The canvas is put down in the afternoon and removed the next day at 8 A.M Fifteen men are needed to remove the 5 canvases that measure 68 meters by 20 meters (200 ft. by 60 ft.)

    Fertilization is a basic element and it all depends on the time of the year, the type of grass and the event being held. For example, fertilization changes radically for an American football game because it requires grass with strong blades and roots, to give good support to the traction of the players .For soccer, a longer grass is needed, more tolerant to the sliding of the players so that they wont harm the grass. A balanced formula is ideal, plus the addition of energizers to make better use of nutrients throughout the entire year.

    The Aztec Stadium field has grass known as KIKUYO. In Mexico, 80% of the playing fields use this type of grass because it is very wear-resistant, has an interesting color and is flexible to work with. Because of its sensitivity, when the temperature drops in December, it goes into dormancy. When it feels temperatures lower tan 17°c, it does not grow or regenerate and it turns yellowish. It the temperature drops very low, the plant can die. Fortunately, there are mechanical and natural techniques to keep the grass from dying and to maintain a healthy green field all year long.

    Many people ask “why not put a roof over the whole stadium?” The answer is simple. If the field does not receive 8 hours of sunlight every day, the grass dies. The KIKUYO, like other plants, requires sunlight for photosynthesis to develop the chlorophyll needed for the grass to be green and healthy all the time.

    Proper fertilization and maintenance processes such as aeration, topdressing, scalping, etc. allow the field to be used for up to 3 games a week, plus concerts, dances, etc. without causing great harm to the turf.

    In fertilization, it is vitally important to supply the pant with major elements such as nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium, along with minor elements like manganese, calcium, magnesium, iron, zinc, sulphur, etc. The foliage and soil must be fumigated every year to avoid parasitic insects such as the larvae of June Beetles that feed on the roots of the grass, sometimes killing it. Lady bugs also cause damage.

    Other enemies of the grass are noxious mushrooms that proliferate quickly and are very destructive, so great care has to be taken in the application of fungicides according to the time of the year and the type of grass.

    Sprinkling is fundamental so it’s necessary to maintain excellent control over the humidity since it’s not good to apply more water then needed. A key point is to not sprinkle on the same day as the game because serious damage could occur. Sprinkling should be done 48 hours before a game.

    Is it true that the Aztec Stadium is a difficult place for foreign players?

    Yes, because Mexico City is 2200 mts. (6 600 ft.) above sea level, so foreign players are affected by the lack of oxygen. Also, the grass has a very special cut because it is mowed to ½ inch high, making the field very fast, so foreign players are at a disadvantage because as the minutes pass they get tired more quickly.

    Did you know that….To mow the Aztec Stadium field, the operator has to walk behind the mowing machine for 10 kms?

    Has the Aztec Stadium always had the same type of grass?

    No… in the 1986 World Cup, the FIFA wanted a different quality of grass so seven types of seed were brought in, of which English grass was predominant. It was more slender and aesthetic than the KIKUYO, but once the world cup was over, the KIKUYO was brought back in because, when it’s well cared for, it acquires the same qualities as the English grass but since KIKUYO is uncultivated, it resists diseases, insects, wear and tear, and is just as aesthetic as the English grass which is adversely affected by the city smog.

    Did you know that the measurements of the field are:

    Length 105 meters
    Width 68 meters
    Area 7,140 square meters.
    Goals:
    Height 2.44 meters
    Width 7.32 meters
    Diameter of tubes 10 centimeters.
    Pennants:
    Height 1.20 meters
    Distance from the sideline to the field line one meter.

    Drainage of the field consists of a layer of compacted materials…30 centimeters of gravel and 30 centimeters. of humus. Above the layer are 45° concrete tubes that drain toward the trench along the perimeter, taking the water to the rainwater runoff cistern. The surface has a slope of 1.5 centimeters beginning at the center and forming a divide or parting of the water.

    Did you know that…the field is 9 meters below street level?

    How are the different tones on the field achieved? Sometimes lengthwise, sometimes circles or squares.

    This is due to the mowing machine that is used, which has a roller that combs the grass to one side or the other. Remember, a blade of grass has two faces and one is greener than the other. If we comb it to one side it looks very green but if we pass the mower in the opposite direction, it will look less green.


    English version link:

    http://www.esmas.com/estadioazteca/englishv/356839.html

    Spanish version link:

    http://www.esmas.com/estadioazteca/elestadio/infografia/307518.html
     
  14. fdp

    fdp Red Card

    Oct 24, 2001
    More Estadio Chivas

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  15. fdp

    fdp Red Card

    Oct 24, 2001
    More Estadio Chivas

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  16. Socrates_81

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    May 27, 2008
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    Wow, so much science involved with Aztecas pitch. No wonder it's so damn beautiful. I especially enjoy watching matches when they make nice patterns with the field.
     
  17. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    See. Some teams like America choose to work hard and scientifically develop and grow a world class soccer pitch made of the proper real grass... others like Chivas apparently choose to buy a really nice green rug at KMart.
     
  18. Otaku

    Otaku Member+

    Dec 9, 2003
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I always wonder how they make those patterns. There have been some pretty intricate ones.

    It all comes down to $$$. Azteca is the most important pitch and needs to be taken care of. Also Jorge Vergara is known for being stingy.

    I agree though, FIFA should allow only natural surfaces on football grounds.
     
  19. Namdynamo

    Namdynamo Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
    Houston Dynamo new stadium:
    Earlier Design

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    Latest Design, now with a roof all around:

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    Looks like a 2nd Red Bull like stadium is coming soon to MLS.
     
  20. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Assuming it gets built. That particular team moved from San Jose to Houston in 2005 with the promise of a new stadium from Houston. It's 2010 and they still haven't gotten the funding or the ultimate site nailed down yet, let alone shovels in the ground.
     
  21. fdp

    fdp Red Card

    Oct 24, 2001
    More Estadio Chivas

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  22. fdp

    fdp Red Card

    Oct 24, 2001
    More Estadio Chivas

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    right click view image to enlarge
     
  23. Ags09

    Ags09 Member

    Club America
    Mexico
    Jun 16, 2006
    Philly
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    that doesnt look remotely like a red bull arena stadium...that shit looks like just another mls stadium..with a roof, that stadium isnt happening they cant even find a freaking place to do...plus ODH just left the team and no one really wants to put the money up front.
     
  24. Namdynamo

    Namdynamo Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
    What the hell are you talking about? The money is already there and there are two sites that they can build the stadium on, one in downtown (their first choice that they are trying to get the city to let them build on it) and one privately own strip of land. Once the location is settle, the stadium will be built. Read the links below.

    http://apps.grouptivity.com/socialm...55981648&acn=zj!d9&pId=HeOHCWXaPRs=&acn=zj!d9

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7240711

    The stadium rendering look similar to a red bull arena and other smaller European soccer specific stadium. Quit spazzing out, jealousy is oozing out all of your orifices.
     
  25. Perndog2006

    Perndog2006 Member+

    Jul 24, 2006
    Nery Nut Ryder
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    wow I hope they dont build that monstrousity

    it looks horrible in design

    I bet it will look worse when its done and half empty
     

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