"3-6-1" Sampson to coach Chivas USA? (Ives)

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Knave, Nov 21, 2009.

  1. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Oh, Chivas, why do you so continually disappoint me!?!
    The horror, the horror ...

    ... edit ...

    No sooner do I post this than Ives tweets this.:
    One can only hope ...
     
  2. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Well, one thing that is for certain is that either goal.com, which said Martin Vasquez was getting the job, or Ives is gonna be wrong.

    Personally, I'd hire Vasquez.
     
  3. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    I like the way Ives phrased that. They're close to hiring Sampson. . . but they're also interviewing some solid candidates. ;)
     
  4. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Me too. Even if it took him a season to settle in and get the team going.
     
  5. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good news though, Knave: Chivas wouldn't ever disappoint you under Sampson, since you wouldn't expect anything from them at all.

    This would be one of the sranger hirings ever, at least per my expectations when Preki was let go. Though, Sampson is a big name coach - coached two national teams, MLS Cup championship . . .
     
  6. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Sampson is such an enigma.

    On the one hand, he's won an NCAA title, an MLS Cup and a US Open Cup. He's the only American coach to get a result against Brazil and IN Mexico. He reached the semis of Copa America (spanking Argentina by three goals along the way) and he's the only American to coach a foreign highish-profile national team.

    And then.... There's the whole Harkes circus, the 3-6-1 and losing the team in France. Having Mike Burns as a go-to player, unable to beat Cuba in their home-and-home qualifiers (both games were ties) with Costa Rica and mediocre-to-bad regular season results with the Galaxy.

    Certainly, he's accomplished enough that another stint in MLS isn't unwarranted. At the same time, he brings soooo much baggage that it breeds a lot of skepticism.

    Like I said, an enigma.

    I won't be at all surprised if this hire - assuming it happnes - works for a season or two but any longer than that and history shows he'll lose the team.
     
  7. Vasco

    Vasco New Member

    Jun 8, 2003
    RIO
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sampson does not deserve to collect a paycheck in soccer.

    the team got in and went on a roll despite him to win the cups.

    This dude will crash and burn chivas, hell they might be the first MLS team to fold on its own after he gets fired.
    Miami and Tampa were folded by the league.

    This is a sad day in american soccer, sampson is coming back, and one of the best american players ever Olsen is going to retire.

    whoa is american soccer.
     
  8. GVPATS77

    GVPATS77 Member+

    Aug 18, 2008
    Fullerton, CA
    It took me awhile to figure out this last part. But then I realized.

    Whoa - a statement of surprise..."Whoa, Blossom."

    Woe - Saddness, sorrow...."Woe is the man who doesn't know the difference between woe and whoa.
     
  9. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would a fan of a team other than Chivas be disappointed to see Sampson get hired?
     
  10. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Well, it is possible that Vasco is deliberately using the "whoa-woe" con-fusion for deliberate effect. It would then be a pretty nifty pun. In such case, all I can say--in full agreement with Vasco-- is: "Whoa is American Soccer". :D
     
  11. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is an excellent question. Perhaps because we were all hoping to see Juan Carl Osorio again stride the sidelines as the Leviathan of the sport he is?
     
  12. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    It seems I can never expect anything from them anyway. They lose when I want them to win. They win when I want them to lose. No matter what I want, they disappoint! That's what's so disappointing! :D
    Speaking for myself only, part of it is what I said above and part of it is the fact that I'd actually like the team to succeed. I don't wish ill on them the way I wish it on NY and LA. And I really don't want them to play the Clippers to the Galaxy's Lakers. Admittedly, this may derive from my hatred of the Galaxy. Plus Sampson coaching any MLS team is a rather dubious and to me disappointing prospect.
     
  13. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's gonna have to be a shitty team in the mix each and every year. I don't give a damn where they are located as long as it's not DC. This would just take some of the guesswork out of it. :p
     
  14. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
  15. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    Are any of us who've been here a while really so far removed from 2002 that we don't wince a little when a team without its own stadium and with few fans in the stands decides to hire a god-awful coach just because he's cheap and speaks (some) Spanish?

    Chivas USA is one of those teams that could disappear tomorrow--the signs on the locker room could come down, and that would be it.

    Things are run on a shoestring at Chivas USA already. If that shoestring breaks, it isn't good for the league.
     
  16. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  17. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Probably not, but if Chivas' ownership is determined to suck, maybe it would be better to let them fold and sell the franchise rights to a better owner.

    Although, as much as it pains me to say it, I think Chivas North has done a good job in a lot of ways this year.
     
  18. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    Whoa...whoa....great pic, I never realized how much Landon resembles Fidel!
     
  19. EastLAChiva

    EastLAChiva Member

    Jun 26, 2007
    Section 138
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We deserve better or at least better than, Steve Sampson.
    Can you imagine John Harkes' commentary on ESPN games?
    The real tool in this joke of a move is Stephen Hamilton.
    He's a cocky bastard with rosters built from smoke and mirrors.
    He's our GM/VP of player personnel who was in cahoots with the Preki and his mind-blowing nonsensensica preference flor washed-up players.
    We got luck with Talley/Thornton, but c'mon...Steve Sampson?

    Chivas USA, I'm afraid, is headed towards a big iceberg.
     
  20. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Did Harkes interview him when he was in charge of the LA Gals?
     
  21. Che chico!

    Che chico! Member

    Dec 21, 2004
    West LA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I still don't understand all of this sampson hatred. The guy coached the Galaxy to the double. And unless any of you were in that locker room each and every game that season, there's nothing you can say to dispute it. I for one, wish he had stayed on another year or two.

    IMO, he would've been a much better coach for the Galaxy than Ruud when Beck's got here. If he get's another shot in MLS, so be it. The guy's record is unarguable and he deserves another chance at glory.
     
  22. GalaxyKoa

    GalaxyKoa Member+

    Jul 18, 2007
    North County
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Haha, ok.




    I have a hard time wishing him on Chivas. I hate them and all, but man, that's pretty low.
     
  23. Delsocfan

    Delsocfan New Member

    Oct 23, 2004
    Wilmington, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed, Sampson has what I would call a mixed record and not the downright awful one that most people attach to him. He has had some great results and some terrible ones.

    good:
    1995 - Copa America wins vs Chile, Argentia, Mexico.
    1997 - Our only point ever in Azteca
    1998 - Win vs Brazil in Gold Cup

    badl:
    1998 world cup (yes, entire thing)
    Near fail in qualifying vs Cuba as CR head coach.

    Presumably whole world cup thing has everyone still very bitter, but surprisingly there isn't the same level of bitterness around Bruce and our 2006wc performance. In 2006 there were also specific coaching mistakes (For example unused sub vs Italy) to be bitter about.

    The other argument used is that personally the guy is an arrogant jerk and that he is hated by everyone and no one has respect for him in the locker room etc.... So I found this recent quote by Alan Gordon interesting:

    "He was a good coach. He was interesting. Everybody has their style. Everybody liked Sampson. The best thing he ever did was give the leadership to the older players, the veterans. Ultimately, that helped him out in the end."

    http://web.mlsnet.com/news/mls_news.jsp?ymd=20091119&content_id=7691156&vkey=news_mls&fext=.jsp
     
  24. flippin269

    flippin269 Member+

    Aug 3, 2003
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chivas USA hiring Sampson is like a really hot chick dating a really ugly dude. You stop and ask yourself, "what does she see in him?"
     
  25. MtMike

    MtMike Member+

    Nov 18, 1999
    the 417
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey, I still got married somehow, stop bashing ugly dudes!!! ;)

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    Seriously, yeah, he made a mess of the 98 WC, but it was also a very old team with much bigger egos than skill sets (and we're reminded of that everytime we hear one from the 98 team announce). I mean Brian Maissoneuve and Mike Burns started. And it's not like there were a bunch of better options out there. Quick, name another legitimate international level forward we had that could have played next to Wynalda and been effective.

    Then he comes and wins the double with LA. He's fired halfway through the next season by an alumni of that 98 team. And quite frankly, I think Sampson's record as an MLS coach is better than Lalas' record as an MLS exec.

    I think he can have the same success at Chivas that he did at LAG. Certainly, I think he'll be a better practice manager than Preki who always seemed to have so many injuries.
     

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