Alert: Commissioner Don Garber to Discuss MLS Playoffs and League's Future on Fox Football Fone-In‎

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  1. soccermaul

    soccermaul Red Card

    May 28, 2009
    On the Bus..
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. BSGuy321

    BSGuy321 Member

    Sep 2, 2008
    This is big news.
     
  3. CLEATS

    CLEATS New Member

    May 2, 2005
    I've never watched this show, i guess now's a good time to start.
     
  4. Mstars96

    Mstars96 Member

    Jul 13, 2003
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've watched this show a few times and it makes me feel like I live in England, EPL is the majority of the show, I'll wait for a show dedicated to majority MLS.
     
  5. cthomer5000

    cthomer5000 Member+

    Apr 23, 2007
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    With its production values, it makes me feel like i'm watching high school class projects again.
     
  6. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When was the last time you watched it, since Wynalda , the show has been covering a lot more MLS and US Soccer
     
  7. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm also pretty sure that the theme music is played during terrorist interrogations to force them to talk
     
  8. Che chico!

    Che chico! Member

    Dec 21, 2004
    West LA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've been watching since Cohen and I'll tell you, it's gone from a Public Access level production to down right unwatchable. This show makes the MLS's failed version of the EPL's Fan Zone a total masterpiece.

    As much as I love Waldo's no holds barred, pompous, say anything I want at anytime attitude, the chemistry between those two is down right atrocious.

    This show has got to be on it's final weeks.
     
  9. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I won't go quite that far, but it's got some shortcomings that they need to address, no question.

    Not to say anything negative about Webster, but if FSC insists on having Wynalda then Nick needs to be replaced. He and Eric simply don't work together. There's no chemistry at all. Their conversations often come across as painful and forced and watching them be uncomfortable makes the viewer uncomfortable too.

    Part of the problem is that Wynalda can't do the Cohen role with Webster as the sidekick. Smartaleck know-it-alls like Waldo can be entertaining but they can't be the lead character.

    The show needs a strong top man with Eric shooting from the hip as the seasoning, not the main dish.
     
  10. cthomer5000

    cthomer5000 Member+

    Apr 23, 2007
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Having worked in production (albeit radio) for the last 7 years... I literally cannot point to 1 part of the show I would be satisfied with if I was involved.

    Intro: terrible
    Set dressing: terrible
    Chemistry of hosts: terrible
    Reading skills of token hot chick: embarrassing
    Phone screener: terrible (most callers are AWFUL)

    I guess the only thing they have going for it are getting the occasional solid guest. Other than that... the show damn near needs a 100% overhaul.
     
  11. viper

    viper New Member

    Jun 7, 2000
    Paramus, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ya think? This was a great show when Cohen was in Wynalda's place. Now it's downright unwatchable.
     
  12. DUFC206

    DUFC206 New Member

    Oct 11, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It doesn't seem like Eric is an easy person to work with.... I haven't watched the show in a while but can imagine the impact that he had when he came. I think it is okay and am glad to hear there is more MLS spin no so I will check it out.

    More importantly! This could/should be pretty big news depending on what Don wants to let out.
     
  13. soccermaul

    soccermaul Red Card

    May 28, 2009
    On the Bus..
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I never agree with a smoking monkey, but I agree on this though. I love to see Eric and Ray Hudson behind the mic. That's a show by itself.
     
  14. HighburyForever

    HighburyForever Red Card

    Oct 15, 2006
    Wooloomooloo, New South Wales
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Everyone should be calling in and asking about youth development and how MLS can create more incentives for teams to start proper youth setups comparable to the top European clubs. That's probably the single biggest issue facing MLS right now.
     
  15. Cujo1126

    Cujo1126 New Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    Boston
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It funny. Because everyone always says that "MLS youth and development is crucial to the league" (and I totally agree with you on this point), but if you go over to the MLS youth and development forum, its empty. There's more life on the surface of mars than there is in the MLS Y&D forum.

    If this is such an important issue, why are people never discussing it? It has its own forum!
     
  16. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Congratulations. The Understatement of the Year award is yours.

    It's a good bet that any player who went through eleven clubs in a thirteen-year career is at least a little bit "difficult."
     
  17. Blue Note

    Blue Note New Member

    Nov 17, 2003
    Pawling, New York
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They have youth setups- well most of 'em anyway. The problem is with the idiotic restrictions on bringing players in through the youth academies.
     
  18. HighburyForever

    HighburyForever Red Card

    Oct 15, 2006
    Wooloomooloo, New South Wales
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Most of them don't have proper youth setups. That's the problem. Most MLS clubs are just trying to absorb existing regional youth clubs and stamping their name on them. Basically half-assing it.

    I'm talking about a fully integrated youth setup like Barcelona or Arsenal. Those are what MLS clubs should be striving for.
     
  19. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who says they aren't striving for it? The problem is that when people post things like "Those are what MLS clubs should be striving for" they come off as "WHY DON'T THEY HAVE IT NOW, NOW, NOW!!!!!!!"

    The development of a youth system is only a few years old. A handful of players have "graduated." The Fire is expanding into other areas and looking at bringing kids from those areas full time to Chicago. The BoG has already made at least one rules adjustment to make it easier for players to move to the senior team.

    This stuff doesn't happen over night. So maybe they are working toward what some of those teams have. Maybe they aren't. But they are working on the issue so people sometimes need to back off and actually examine what is happening now instead of criticizing them for not creating a fully developed system in just two years.
     
  20. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are both correct. At the moment, the efforts in most cases has been half assed and a lot of the teams are just rebranded club teams. However, the development of a youth system is going to take years.

    I know that nobody wants to hear it, but at the current rate, it will probably take 10-20 years. While they are working on the issue, it's happening with baby steps. The momentum, if any, is very slow.
     
  21. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Wonder if he will mention a USL merger or an NCAA/MLS relationship?
     
  22. nick

    nick Member+

    Nov 23, 1998
    Potomac Falls, Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, MLS has been steadily increasing the value of Youth Academies and Youth Teams tied to the clubs, by ensuring that players developed within those seasons cannot be poached or drafted by other teams.

    In addition, this whole process will get a major boost as part of the entry of Vancouver into MLS. Vancouver has had a major youth program for many years that has fed its first team. During the discussions on Vancouver entry into MLS, Vancouver insisted that its approach to youth development should not be torn apart.

    As a result, MLS will be adopting many of Vancouver's rules/policies for youth development and promotion to the first team either in 2010 as part of the new CBA or with Vancouver's entry into the league in 2011.

    No later than 2011, MLS's Club youth system framework will look very much like the Vancouver model. At this point you should begin to see the road to professional soccer for youth players paved in much the same direction as found in Europe.

    The implications from Vancouver's entry are threefold: first, MLS's move to Club Youth Systems feeding the first team is much further along in League thinking than you might realize; second, MLS Clubs will become more of a competitor with the NCAA for some of the best players; and third, MLS will have a mechanism to develop players here rather than see them go to Europe at a very young age.
     
  23. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you know this for sure or is this your wish? I'm curious the source if this is actual factual information since CBA news has been very hard to come by.
     
  24. okcomputer

    okcomputer Member

    Jun 25, 2003
    dc
    Unless I missed the press release, all I've ever heard from the league on this is "we review all aspects of the league after every season and vote on improvements that can be made."
     
  25. nick

    nick Member+

    Nov 23, 1998
    Potomac Falls, Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I do know the Vancouver entry into MLS will set the model/framework for Youth Academies and for control of players coming up through those ranks, since it was a condition of Vancouver's entry. Vancouver spent a lot of time money and effort in assembling their program and insisted that they would be able to retain their approach to developing players and retaining rights.

    Based on those agreements, I am extrapolating that some of the developmental player requirements would have to be accomodated within the context of the CBA. You are absolutely correct in stating that MLS is keeping progress of the new CBA very, very close to their vest.
     

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