Real Madrid CF vs. AC Milan|UEFA Champions League Group Stage Matchday 3|10-21-09

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  1. mymy33

    mymy33 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 15, 2007
    No, I didn't miss that part at all, you see I'm a multitasker so I can "lovefest nuthug" and read at the same time. So then if we use your logic there are times during the season we should select our lineups based on the individual qualities of players, irregardless of their current form? Or does this just apply to Benzema?
     
  2. El-CapitanoR7

    El-CapitanoR7 Member

    Oct 30, 2008
    La la land
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Shevchenko too, eh?;)

    I agree that it's different to score in Europe then in league play, but I wouldn't pick Shevchenko or Morientes even though they have great CL goal scoring records. Benzema has 0 goals so far for Real Madrid -edit: in the CL-, he looks lost in the field.

    I really don't think it makes much sense risking such an off-form player for the game.
     
  3. ssabripo

    ssabripo New Member

    Jul 12, 2006
    Miami, Fl
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    absolutely we should look at their qualities vs form, but again, there are only a fraction of positions were this is applicable, particularly in attack. Secondly, as bad as Benzema was the last game, and as good as raul was the last game, you are going by, what, game to game basis? :rolleyes: Benzema would surely be benched by me if we were playing Zurich or Marseille on wednesday, but Milan is prime for him.

    Other positions are not as clear cut. We are not replacing Kaka with VDV or Ronaldo with Granero, or Xabi with Gago, just because they had a bad game..those positions need continuity as well as quality of player (many times, irregardless of current form.

    I will give you this, Benzema has been somewhat disappointing so far, and needs to step it up big time. I have no quarrels benching Benzema until he gets his act together, and I have no issues with Raul starting against Milan if that's the case... But I'm going by what I've seen from Milan, and where our strength and weaknesses in attack is.
     
  4. 9Qui

    9Qui Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 26, 2004
    Actually, it doesn't, when everyone else pretty much sucked. I don't think you can tell that he isn't rusty anymore just from that match. I think Lass will be a safer bet and then Diarra can start against Sporting in the weekend.
     
  5. mymy33

    mymy33 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 15, 2007
    Interesting, especially in light of comments you've made before today. But hey whatever helps you sleep at night right?
     
  6. raven3k

    raven3k Member+

    May 31, 2007
    Madrista land
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    f*ck sakes, we all talk about patience and teamwork. How can we expect benzema, alonso, kaka, albiol et al. Its easy to blame the oldies because they have been there for years and they can magically adapt. But what people dont realise is that the oldies and the newbies have to find a way to work together and until their understanding isnt concrete we are gonna get some half assed, half/quarter baked/sometimes player dependent performances.

    Back to milan contribution,


    Seedorf view on the upcoming game:
    Inzaghi:
    Pato:
    Ronaldinho:
    Arbeloa:
    Ramos:
     
  7. Anon.

    Anon. Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    That's very clever that, picking two players that were world class and are now way past their prime. I wouldn't pick either of the two players you've chosen either if they were off form since it's not as if they would get better with successive matches. Benzema needs games, how many did Higuain need to get kick started?

    Shevchenko 33, Morientes 33 and.........(drum roll).....Benzema 21!
     
  8. El-CapitanoR7

    El-CapitanoR7 Member

    Oct 30, 2008
    La la land
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The fact remains-he's in terrible form. Why risk playing him when there are more ready alternatives ?
     
  9. Oscar

    Oscar Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Holland
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    You're comparing Benzema CL's stats who was a starter for Lyon on his own position against Higauin who was neither here in many of his CL games? Doesn't seem fair to one of the players at all.

    I call shenanigans and demand a fairer way to compare the players, like current form to establish who could do better now for Real Madrid, as opposed to then with another club.

    edit: ¿have Higauin and Benzema paired up for 45 minutes yet?
     
  10. Anon.

    Anon. Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Current form being the last game? Benzema was just as good if not better than Higuain in their respective international matches. Against Sevilla, they were as bad as each other, although I admit Benzema got more minutes.
     
  11. Anon.

    Anon. Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Actually, I've just realised that I'm not even debating that Higuain should be benched, I believe he should start (don't know how I got roped into this Benz vs. Higuain debate!).

    It's Granero that I think doesn't deserve to start ahead of Benzema. Look back at my previous post and you'll see this.
     
  12. Oscar

    Oscar Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Holland
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    You're lucky, I was this close *puts fingers very close together* to unleashing the goal ratio card. And as Ronaldooo has taught us, this clears all other arguments from the table. :D
     
  13. mymy33

    mymy33 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 15, 2007
    :eek:

    Thank God that was cleared up then :D
     
  14. Anon.

    Anon. Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I wasn't going to loose this one! ;)
    I knew somewhere down the line my viewpoint got contorted. On page 6 I posted the following formations as desirable:


    -------Lass--Alonso--------

    ----------Kaka------------

    Higuain------------Benzema/Raul

    -------Benzema/Raul-------


    or

    --------Lass--Alonso--------


    ---Higuain----------Kaka---


    -----Benzema----Raul------
     
  15. ssabripo

    ssabripo New Member

    Jul 12, 2006
    Miami, Fl
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    typical strawman's argument... have nothing better to rebuttal with, so stick to pick and choosing one liners. You must be a good Fox news "analyst" too, right? :)
     
  16. mymy33

    mymy33 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 15, 2007
    And you should definitely know about strawman arguments. If I were you I'd work on the one-liners and insults though, nut hugger is getting played out.
     
  17. 9Qui

    9Qui Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 26, 2004
    Stay on topic, please and no personal attacks.
     
  18. ssabripo

    ssabripo New Member

    Jul 12, 2006
    Miami, Fl
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    yep, done.




    anyways, I'm really eager to see how Kaka reacts in this game, and whether or not Guti will get the nod over Granero/VdV.

    I'm hoping M. Diarra gets some play time...his physical presence should be a great neutralizer against a weakened Milan attack, specially with Lass having a slight knock and mentally fatigued.

    I have a feeling Pipita is gonna have a really good game!:D
     
  19. TheGrimSweeper

    Jul 16, 2006
    Toronto,Canada
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Its gonna be messed seeing Kaka play against us. I imagine there will be lots of hugs for him from the team.
     
  20. demogorgon

    demogorgon Member

    Jul 18, 2006
    Is this because he had a much better game than Benzema this weekend. Or because we usually play better with one more midfielder in the team ?
     
  21. Anon.

    Anon. Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I don't see why playing slightly better than someone in a single game gives that player the right to start the proceeding game. Plus, I think that Granero has been pretty meh in the last few games.
     
  22. Achillean

    Achillean Member

    Apr 13, 2005
    We have a better team and a better coach this time around.
     
  23. RMSocrates

    RMSocrates Member+

    Apr 5, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Interesting but how about we add another midfielder in there?

    Lass--Diarra--Xabi
    -Granero--Kaka--
    ----Higuain-------

    Anyone else want to kind of see this? I think it could be interesting and I have not been liking the 2 forwards formations thus far.
     
  24. Bear Crotch

    Bear Crotch Member+

    Jan 2, 2008
    Ohio, United States
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I do! I really would like to see how Xabi plays with both Diarras in the lineup.
     
  25. Achillean

    Achillean Member

    Apr 13, 2005
    Errr looks like higuain has a minor injury and might not play against Milan.

    Motherfcking injuries...
     

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