Team-standings tie-breaking procedures

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  1. kilobio

    kilobio Member

    Jul 25, 2009
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    "The highest position shall be awarded to the team with the better win/loss record in current regular season games against all other teams equal in points. (head-to-head competition)"

    I am against this. It should be goal differential.
     
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  2. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK, why?

    (And before anyone says "That's how the rest of the world does it", La Liga uses H2H first)
     
  3. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    That's how fifa competitions are determined.
     
  4. kilobio

    kilobio Member

    Jul 25, 2009
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    That is why. H2H makes things easier for the teams... It should be Goal Differential. How is how you determine who is the best team overall.
     
  5. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    "The highest position shall be awarded to the team with the better win/loss record in current regular season games against all other teams equal in points. (head-to-head competition)"


    what the fcuk does it mean? what the fcuk is 'better win/loss record' among teams got equal points?? just more number of Wins?? 1 win is better than 3 ties??

    head-to-head?? what if we have 3, 4, 5 way ties, for example, A wins over B, B wins over C, C wins over A??

    I don't understand the standing right now. Can somebody explain??
    http://web.mlsnet.com/standings/index.jsp?standings=playoff
    right now we got 4 way tie with DCU, FCD, NER, TFC.
    Why the fcuk the standing looks like that??
     
  6. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So one of the top 2 leagues in the world isn't good enough for you?

    Take the number of points each of the 4 teams earned playing the other 3 teams, and divide it by the number of times they played the other 3 teams. That's the points-per-game for each of the 4 teams head-to-head. Rank them from best to worst. The top team leads. If there's a tie, look at the goal differential for the season, the top team leads.

    Then with the remaining 3 teams take the number of points each of the 3 teams earned playing the other w teams, and divide it by the number of times they played the other w teams. That's the points-per-game for each of the 3 teams head-to-head. Rank them from best to worst. The top team leads. If there's a tie, look at the goal differential for the season, the top team leads.

    Then with the remaining 2 teams take the number of points each of the 2 teams earned playing the other team, and divide it by the number of times they played the other team. That's the points-per-game for each of the 2 teams head-to-head. Rank them from best to worst. The top team leads. If there's a tie, look at the goal differential for the season, the top team leads.
     
  7. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    oh.. thanks. I think I got it mostly... it sounds stupid though, I think they should just go with total number of goal differential.

    I have to go through extensive record digging and then math to see who's ahead of ties? shit WTF.
     
  8. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    looks like even official DC United site is confused on the tie breaker shit.
    www.dcunited.com vs http://web.mlsnet.com/standings/index.jsp?standings=playoff

    I assume MLS site is correct (shit I won't do the stupid record digging and math myself).

    The whole playoff berth and tie breaker shit needs to be fixed soon.

    When we have enough teams in each conference(10, 12), should get rid of the wild cards.

    Balanced schedule within conference, and just total goal differential for tie breaking.
     
  9. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    The governing body for futbol is good enough for me.
     
  10. cthomer5000

    cthomer5000 Member+

    Apr 23, 2007
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    You don't actually have to do anything. I'm pretty sure the playoffs will still happen if you aren't around to do the tie-breakers for MLS.

    Teams should play to win games. This system encourages that.
     
  11. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So running up the score more against bad teams is a better determiner of who is better than head to head? Ok, gotcha. People just like the sound of complaining.
     
  12. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    But it's (sort of) the European way, so it must be right. :rolleyes: Even if it's wrong.
     
  13. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly. While I enjoyed FCD's thumping of Kansas City and LA to the tunes of 6-0 and 6-3, I don't think that they should help determine whether they should break a tie with DCU or with TFC or with New England.
     
  14. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    MLS exist becaue of the fans. As a fan, I want to know exact standing of my club and what's coming.

    They got some complicted tie break formula, and right now my club's website and MLS webiste don't even agree on the playoff standings. www.dcunited.com vs http://web.mlsnet.com/standings/inde...ndings=playoff
    right now I just assume MLS site is the correct side.

    Things somehow happen without having fans aware of what the fcuk is going on? nice fcuking way to run a league.
     
  15. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    UEFA Champions League uses head-to-head as the first tiebreaker. Someone should tell them to do it the European way! ;)
     
  16. DallasHammster

    Jun 18, 2007
    DALLAS!!!
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS tie-breaking procedures make sense to me, because I am an American, and other American sports handle things in a very similar manner. :cool:

    We fought a revolution to be separate from England, not to bend our soccer league to conform to their approval two hundred plus years later. :mad:

    So there. :D
     
  17. Blizzard

    Blizzard Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2002
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    But your from Texas. You fought the Mexicans to gain your independence .... and then gave it up to join the USA nine years later! ;)
     
  18. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    Just chanced upon this old thread...

    Have to marvel how the tie-breakers has evolved over the past few seasons, and the fact that the league itself has disregard them: :p

    16-1-17 (W-D-L) is now "officially" a lot more "valuable" than 15-4-15, and so on... all the way to 8-25-1 (all for the same 49 points).
     
  19. henryo

    henryo Member+

    Jun 26, 2007
    By the way, was looking at MLS and a few other leagues, to see how much W-T-L differences can there be, for teams level on points.

    Findings so far:
    • MLS: At most differ by 2 less wins & 6 more ties, as with the cases of 2014 & 2010 seasons.

    • EPL: Differ by up to 3 less wins & 9 more ties, as seen in 1993-94 season.

    • FRL1 (the League of Ties in Euro): Differ by up to 4 less wins & 12 more ties, as seen in 2013-14 season!
    Are there anything more contrasting than the above? ;)

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  20. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seriously? a necro-bump of an almost 2 year old thread who's only post in the last 6 years was a prior necro-bump by you?
     

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