Theirry Henry snubs Man City for New York...

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by Che chico!, Oct 17, 2009.

  1. Che chico!

    Che chico! Member

    Dec 21, 2004
    West LA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Now we are talking, if Henry is ready to come next year will be beautiful, but not two or three year after that, and yes the spot is our to keep all the way once the DP exist...we pay for it...
     
  4. lkgf09

    lkgf09 Member

    Jun 7, 2004
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll believe when I see it, not when I read some speculation. It would be great to have him here though.
     
  5. metros11

    metros11 Member

    Sep 11, 1999
    Highlands of NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So we'll have 2 world class strikers and no one to feed them the ball. Exactly what I would expect.
     
  6. Blue Note

    Blue Note New Member

    Nov 17, 2003
    Pawling, New York
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let me know when he signs. I won't believe it until then.
     
  7. GIO17

    GIO17 Member

    Nov 29, 1998
    I agree completly with you. I would love to see an Angel-Henry tandem, but we need someone to feed them the ball. It can't be from the flank all the time, it has to come from the middle as well.

    If the club can sign Duka, or bring in Kassel from Maryland after this coming ACC season, then do it or make a super draft day deal to bring in someone to help out.

    If you can entice a CAM and tell them they will feed the ball to both Angel & Henry, they would sign up in a heartbeat.
     
  8. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007

    Thats true.
     
  9. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007

    If the Red Bulls still have the #2 pick and Duka enters the draft..they need to sign him. He would be a needed playmaker without using a DP and we can use it on Henry if he came.
     
  10. wandering soccerdog

    Mar 29, 2003
    No, we can have Zinedine Zidane feed him the ball.

    One more time....

    This is how you build a star-studded team within the MLS rules:

    Here is the lineup (and the players' ages as of Opening Day 2011) I would like to see New York put on the field post-World Cup 2010, and it can all be done within the MLS salary cap and foreign-player limits:

    GOALKEEPER: Danny Cepero (AGE 25)

    DEFENSE: Kevin Goldthwaite(27), Carlos Bocanegra (31), Marvell Wynne (24), Frankie Hejduk (36)

    MIDFIELD: Zinedine Zidane (38), David Beckham (35), DaMarcus Beasley (29), Shalrie Joseph (33)

    FORWARD: Thierry Henry (33), Juan Pablo Angel (35)

    Here's how it would work....

    1) Thierry Henry has already stated bluntly that he would like to come here in 2011, and now there is the new report he may come here immediately after the World Cup in 2010. An easy signing. He becomes a "Designated Player" at a counted salary of $400,000 (plus endorsement money).

    2) David Beckham by then will have completed his goal of playing for England in the 2010 World Cup and will have nowhere else to go but back to Los Angeles. However, Los Angeles (read: Landon Donovan and Bruce Arena) will be fed up with him by then. Likewise, Beckham will be fed up with Los Angeles and crave the white-hot spotlight of the New York market for a few years. He is the second "Designated Player" at a counted salary of $400,000 (and no money needs to be spent on a transfer fee, because MLS already owns him).

    3) Zinedine Zidane is available (no transfer fee) and will be 37 on Opening Day in 2010. I suspect he is interested in getting his foot on a ball again (if for no other reason, to not have his career end with the headbutt). Well past his prime, he would come here to get a chance to play with Beckham and Henry -- and to live in New York for a couple of years. He would be the team's "third" foreign player, but not a "designated player" (kind of like Albert Celades is now -- a foreign player with stature, but not a Designated Player). Sign him for approximately $250,000 (plus endorsement money), and let him do the Carlos Valderrama thing -- playmaking without running too much.

    4) Juan Pablo Angel will be 34 in 2010. Potential career moves overseas will be over, and he will have nowhere else to go. Likely, he will have a green card by 2011 and will no longer count as a foreigner. Plus, he'll probably want to keep his kids in American schools for an additional few years. Therefore, we could drop his "Designated Player" status and count him as an American. Offer him a salary of $150,000 for old time sake, and he'll accept it because he has no other choice.

    5) Shalrie Joseph will be 33 in 2011 (in the meantime, continue to use defensive-midfielder Albert Celades who only makes a little over $100,000). Joseph already counts as an American for MLS purposes. He will be on the downside of his career and looking to return to New York (he grew up in Brooklyn) to play in front of his hometown friends and family. New England will be willing to part with him to free up salary space for younger players. Sign him for approximately $100,000.

    6) DaMarcus Beasley will be 29 and will have worn out his welcome overseas. His career could catch a second wind in New York (especially if he has talented teammates like Zidane, Henry, Beckham, etc.). Pay him approximately $100,000.

    7) Frankie Hejduk will be 35 in 2010. Columbus will be ready to part with him by then and he will consider retirement. But for $75,000 he could be convinced to play another year or two -- especially with these teammates.

    8) Kevin Goldthwaite will be 26 in 2010. By then, he'll probably be making $75,000, if he isn't already.

    9) Carlos Bocanegra will by 31 in 2011 and will possibly be done in Europe and looking to come back to MLS. Pay him $150,000. In the meantime, continue to use a revitalized Mike Petke.

    10) Marvell Wynne will be a mere 24-years-old. Ironically, getting him back could be the most difficult, but if it could be achieved, it would be a great get. He will be just coming into his own by then. Finally fulfilling on his promise. Pay him $150,000. If Wynne can't be gotten, perhaps Jeremy Hall will have matured into a quality player by then. (And Hall would be cheaper than Wynne).

    11) Danny Cepero will be 25-years-old and improving. He will be perfectly serviceable and cheap. Pay him $75,000.

    That comes out to $1,925,000 for the starting lineup. That would leave over $375,000 to sign an additional -- let's say -- nine bench players at an average salary of approximately $40,000.

    Round out the lineup with several developmental players who don't count toward the salary cap and we've got a pretty compelling lineup.

    And if David Beckham can't come, then instead get Ronaldinho, who is on the outs with AC Milan. (And Ronaldinho's salary would only count $400,000 against the cap, as well).

    Again...this is realistic and affordable -- and it is all within the salary cap and the foreign-player limits. It wouldn't even be that difficult to pull off under the current circumstances.

    With this lineup, the team would have massive star-quality and, suddenly, New York soccer would matter again -- especially in that stunning new stadium.
     
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  11. Rick O'Shea

    Rick O'Shea Member

    Aug 19, 2008
    They could be re-branded as the NEW YORK GERIATRICS ! :D
     
  12. wandering soccerdog

    Mar 29, 2003
    If they were any younger they wouldn't be affordable.

    Furthermore, they aren't nearly as old as some previous MLS stars:

    Carlos Valderrama played here until he was 42.
    Lothar Matthaeus was 39.
    Kasey Keller is 39.
    Hugo Sanchez was 37.
    Guillermo Barros Schelotto is 36.
    Cuauhtemoc Blanco is 36.

    And so on.

    I'd gladly make a team of....

    Thierry Henry at 32.
    David Beckham at 35.
    Juan Pablo Angel at 34.
    Ronaldinho at 30 or 31.
    ...and Zinedine Zidane at 37.
    (Plus a whole bunch of young Americans: Wynne, Goldthwaite, Beasley, etc.)

    Get three years, or so, out of each of them and the Red Bulls probably grab some silverware.

    If nothing else, they certainly grab some media attention.
     
  13. ShevaDani

    ShevaDani Member

    Jul 14, 2009
    MIGHTY EUROPE:D
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    NYRB needs to sign a big player.Question, in MLS does exista a salary cap?I mean, if Henry would come to NYRB,could be payed at least at 1/2 as his contract back at Barca.I guess over there he takes someting between 6-7 mil.euros.
     
  14. bukie2k

    bukie2k Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    New Jersey
    Ah yes, the silly season is upon us.

    Seeing as how next year is a World Cup year, any big name sigining won't be arriving until mid-season or later if they have any chance of making their national team thereby cashiering another season for future glory. Unless of course it's another Euro has-been or South American never-was which so far has been RBNY's blueprint for bringing us soccer like it's never been done before.

    Next rumor.
     
  15. NYCfan

    NYCfan New Member

    Aug 25, 2006
    NYC, New York
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fat Ronaldinho or even fatter Ronaldo. I'm surprised that hasn't started yet.
     
  16. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, there is a salary cap, but under the "Designated Player" rule, New York could sign Henry for any amount, and it would only count around $400,000 against the cap, depending on what the league does with the rule in the off-season.

    I would think there's a legit chance that Henry retires from the French team after this cycle no matter what. Assuming they even make the World Cup, which is not a given yet.
     
  17. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    yes, pull against france to qualify and henry would become available a month or so sooner...

    the real question is can we get a #10 creator/midfielder without using the DP...and have both DP's be strikers...tough call.
     
  18. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I don't see what France does in WCQ having any bearing of this unsourced rumor. The big thing here isn't France its Barcalona. They own his contract until 2011 and i just dont see them giving away onew of the worlds most known and marketable players for free.

    MLS would have to pass a new rule to allow MLS clubs be able to pay huge transfer fees for players for this to happen or Barca would have to terminate Henry's contract and lose out on millions in transfer money.

    I doubt either happens and if TH14 does come to the states it won't be until 2011 when he is out of contract with Barca.
     
  19. cthomer5000

    cthomer5000 Member+

    Apr 23, 2007
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    This is a lot of effort to put into a joke post. Well done. :)
     
  20. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Sendme one of that reefers you are smoking please.....
     
  21. Zoti

    Zoti Member

    Oct 9, 2009
    Brooklyn
    fyp.
     
  22. GIO17

    GIO17 Member

    Nov 29, 1998
    It's not a joke post. He's being serious.
     
  23. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Its what we like to call unintentional comedy. See he really believes in is "plan" and truely thinks it is possible....so he isn't intending to be humorous. But its so ridiculous and the fact he believes it so much...is comedy.

    As for TH14 i think its a fun little rumor but he stated on the record a couple weeks ago at Emirates Stadium for Wenger's historical match that he would love to come back to London and play for Wenger someday.

    Either way, it is not happening unless MLS lets us pay a huge transfer fee for him because he is under contract for the next 2 seasons in Spain and no way Barca gives him up for peanuts. Its about as likely as Shalrie taking a huge paycut from being one on MLS's top paid players just to play near Brooklyn. LMFAO
     
  24. wandering soccerdog

    Mar 29, 2003
    Ye of little imagination....and sense of precedent.

    Toward the end of the 1974 season, the New York Cosmos were averaging 3,578 fans per game. They were a last place team with a record of 4 wins, 14 losses, and 2 ties.

    If Clive Toye, the general manager of the team, had put out a press release to his miniscule fanbase that summer and said something like, "Don't worry. Within the next three years, I'm going to sign the greatest player in the world, Pele (at age 34). I'm also going to sign the captain from the 1970 World Cup championship team, Carlos Alberto (at age 33), and the captain from the 1974 World Cup championship team, Franz Beckenbauer (at age 31). And just to top it off, I'm going to sign the biggest star in the Italian League, who just led Serie A in scoring for the 1973-1974 season, Giorgio Chinaglia (at age 29). And we'll win a championship in 1977 and we'll average 34,142 fans per game, topped off with a home playoff game in which we'll sell out Giants Stadium with a crowd of 77,691," they would have instantly put Toye in a straight-jacket and carted him off to the funny farm.

    And yet he pulled it off.

    The scenario that I am proposing for the Red Bulls is MORE LIKELY to be pulled off.

    Why?

    Because the players I'm targeting are a bit older, on average, than the Cosmos' conquests. Also, one of them, Henry, has stated pretty clearly that he wants to come here. Two of them, Beckham and Angel, are already under contract to MLS. And the last one, Zidane, is 37-years-old, an adidas endorser (adidas sponsors all of the MLS jerseys), a buddy of Beckham's, a French national team buddy of Henry's, and he's available on a free transfer.

    In other words, the path to getting these guys is a relatively easy one -- by MLS standards.

    This is not fantasy land.

    This is completely feasible.

    All it takes is a G.M. with vision and tenacity. A guy like Peter Wilt, for example.

    Oh wait....he's running an indoor soccer team in a no-budget five-team league. (There's a good use of talent.)

    I guess that means we're stuck watching Danleigh Borman and Macoumba Kandji for the next three years.

    This team never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
     
  25. MulletGSS

    MulletGSS New Member

    May 8, 2009
    NJ
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    This i the rumor in europe too.

    http://www.sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=654245&idseccio_PK=803

    "Henry put a step away from the Red Bulls
    The Frenchman has always expressed his desire to try his luck in the U.S. before hanging up his boots


    Henry back in the orbit of U.S. Soccer
    Thierry Henry is again subjected to all kinds of rumors, because their professional future raises enormous expectations. More than one assumes that not complete his contract with Barca and the end of this season will undertake a new adventure.

    In the final hours, French and English press went further and dared to ensure that the French striker will meet one of his dreams and chose to join the MLS through the New York Red Bulls.

    The decision would be virtually taken. It is asserted that Henry has decided it is time to leave European football. At 32 years, and after a successful trip by the English and Spanish football, the footballer would be happy with the idea of making the leap to try football and adventure in the New York team, a city that meets the perfection and which is fully integrated. In recent seasons has been the practice of Henry's presence on American soil. The Frenchman has been the subject of numerous interviews and in more than one occasion it has expressed its intention to play football in the U.S. before hanging up his boots for good. The negotiations would be ongoing and very close positions. Moreover, the same sources ruled out any interest of Henry to return to the Premier League and wear the shirt of Manchester City despite the economic hearty welcome.

    The New York Red Bulls will have long hunting and capture of a player of international repute. The franchise took the final spot in their conference and has seen its main figure, striker Juan Pedro Angel, missed much of the season because of injury. Of course, after more than likely departure of Beckham to AC Milan in the coming weeks, the MLS is pushing for football 'yankee' incorporates a media player capable of attracting the attention of American fans. The Red Bulls are one of the most compelling franchises in the competition and is intended to incorporate a great reinforcement able to rescue the team and take up the fight for the championship.

    In parallel, and endorsing the rumors, it appears the interest of the technical secretariat of Barca gain the services of Robinho. An operation that is interpreted as a gesture of open doors towards Henry. Two players who move in the same river and confirm the approval of the transaction Guardiola. "
     

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