Pre-match: Portugal vs. Denmark 2010 World Cup Qualifying

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  1. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tomasson said what a lot of you guys have been saying for months. If there was a good Portuguese striker Liedson wouldn't be getting a call-up.

    Saying that it should light a fire under all their asses. Forca Portugal
     
  2. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Fact is our strikers always have to play in a 1 man system which means they have no help. You think Drogba is by himself up front? No, Liedson if put up front by himself will fail all the same. We need to play with 2 forwards it's that simple, it's always been that simple.

    This game is a simple game complicated by idiots.

    If you have a team with the most ball possession in the world do you put on extra defenders? No you put more attackers to make use of the possession and inevitable "parking of the bus" that the opposition will surely employ. Why did we have 4 CB's on at the same time vs Sweden when we needed to win? Answer: Because our coach is a moron. Unless we are up by 1 with the other team dominating possession there is never a point to having 4 CB's on the field at the same time.
     
  3. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Portugal has been playing with one striker for a while, not just under CQ. Even with the "great" Scolari. Pauleta was up front all alone.
     
  4. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    And did it work in Tournaments? Nope. Pauleta was a failure. The system was and is a failure. We just happened to have one of the best midfields in the World to retain the ball and score goals when needed. But did we ever dominate any team in goals besides Poland in 2002? We only beat Angola 1-0 and Iran 2-0 FFS (one goal was a PK) we should be blowing those teams out of the water but when they have only 1 forward to guard between 2 CB's there is never a problem vs Portugal for the most part.

    The system 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit us it doesn't suit anyone it is a negative formation that only a strict disciplined side like Italy or Germany could make work.
     
  5. PassItOn

    PassItOn New Member

    Dec 29, 2004
    NJ
    If anyone can play in a single striker role is Liedson, he does it quite often in Sporting. Honestly he can be successful, but only because of his work habits. One he's not going to be a point of attack, but rather a mobility player, to make room for everyone. Second you won't see him stuck between the CB's. Third he'll get his own chances, on his great antecipation.

    I just feel if CQ starts him he won't be himself, but rather allways look to pass.
     
  6. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    4 years ago maybe but these days Liedson isn't the killer he once was. If he is upfront with anybody he will be dangerous. I am not opposed to him and Nuno starting up front. Ronaldo Deco Simao behind them would supply a ton of chances Maniche to bridge the defense and offense is my ideal set up....Not going to happen though.
     
  7. sashuna4me

    sashuna4me New Member

    May 31, 2009
    new bedford
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    afta wut i been reading in the newspapers i think CQ is gonna stick to his normal routine; normal formation

    i mite not agree wit sum of this, but this is wut i think he'll have as our starting line up

    Gk: Eduardo
    RD: Bosingwa
    CB: R. Carvalho
    CB: B. Alves
    LD: Duda
    Mif: Pepe
    Mif: Raul Meireles
    Mif: Deco
    RW: Cristiano Ronaldo
    LW: Simao
    FW. ?????? idk no clue
     
  8. Sporting#1

    Sporting#1 Member

    Aug 6, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Yeah Baby, I'm liking the fire from my fellow portuguese posters:D

    Let's go into Denmark and show'em what we are made of:mad:

    I feel Like smashing something now LOL

    Forca Portugal

    Focus for 90 minutes and the win is ours

    NO DOUBT :mad:
     
  9. Sinstar

    Sinstar Member

    Aug 2, 2008
    Canada
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Porto, Sporting, Benfica, Braga, we all unite now baby.

    It's time to f*ck the shit out of Denmark. We NEED two strikers. God damnit I want CQ gone. He's shitter than shit. If he plays for anything other than the demolition of Denmark, he should be fired.
     
  10. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    As a Chelsea supporter, who watches every game, I can answer this, and the answer is yes. When Chelsea play a 4-3-3, Drogba is the lone striker. The only other times, where he wasnt the lone striker was Mourinho's third year at Chelsea. It was the year the club brought in Ballack and Shevchenko. He switched between a 4-3-3 and a 4-4-2 diamond. When he used the diamond he paired Drogba with Sheva. And this year, Ancelotti is also using the diamond pairing Drogba with Anelka. Other than those times, Chelsea have played a 4-3-3, Drogba the lone striker, in the front three with two wingers. Plenty of teams use a 4-3-3 using a lone striker and two wingers just like portugal. Problem is most of those teams, have quality strikers, something Portugal doesnt have.
     
  11. Sporting#1

    Sporting#1 Member

    Aug 6, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    I expect an unbelievable performance From Portugal Saturday.

    Denmark is obviously gonna " Park the bus"" and it will work for a bit until we get our 1st goal and then it's showtime.

    The time is now, Forca Portugal:mad::mad:
     
  12. ThespecialoneJM

    ThespecialoneJM New Member

    May 13, 2008
    San Jose
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Now its ok? Alrighty...Although I do agree with your point.


    Forca Portugal.
     
  13. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Yeah I was about to post something similar to this. Drogba is just a beast of a player, lord if Portugal had Drogba.....
     
  14. The Special One

    The Special One Member+

    Aug 6, 2005
    when it comes down to we played our best football with 2 strikers
    at Euro 2000 we played with nuno gomes and joao pinto upfront
    with devastating results and lots of goals scored!!!! Through the 2002
    qualifying campaign we scored more goals that any other team in
    qualifying playing two men up front, we had some cock ups in
    Korea with some poor organisation, but to be honest we lost momentum
    with the howlers by Jorge Costa and Vitor Baia, and although we gave it
    to poland in the 2nd game 4-0 we had Pinto sent off and again our
    momentum was broken!!!

    So with all this in mind 4-4-2 is a formation that works and as much as
    CQ has F##ked up in this campaign if we get through this qualification
    and he employs the 4-4-2 formation ill be very happy.

    --Patricio--
    --Carvalho-- --Alves--
    --Bosingwa-- --Veloso--
    --Pepe--
    --Nani-- --Simao--
    --Deco--
    --Ronaldo-- --Liedson--

    with Ronaldo and Liedsons speed it will be a difficult proposition
    for any defence let alone an aggerless danish side with their third
    choice keeper. Liedson running off Ronaldo flick ons. The attention that the defenders will have to pay to Ronaldo will clearly leave alot of room for
    Liedson!!!!

    I hope we play 4-4-2 and considering all the take in the press of strike partners i think it will happen
     
  15. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Ok you are talking about 4-3-3 where he at least has 2 helpers nearby I am talking about 4-2-3-1 where there is NO ONE anywhere near him. Basically him in the box by himself everyone else around the box passing the ball around then trying to send him in a cross...that is the rediculous shit Portugal does.
     
  16. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Hope to god we do.
     
  17. PassItOn

    PassItOn New Member

    Dec 29, 2004
    NJ
    Just so everyone knows.
    Liedson is not a box player, he's a mobility striker.

    My he's short, skinny. Why the heck would he play in the box?

    Liedson e um rato. Damn does he know how to use his weaknesses.
     
  18. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    The problem is not the formation, its the way it is executed by the manager. The formation we use is meant to be very flexible. One of the reasons why it is a very popular formation in football these days. To say it is a a 4-2-3-1 is over simplifying it and very decieving. It's the way the players line up at the start of the game when the whistle is blown, but its not meant to be static. The 2 that is lined up in front of the defense is not meant to be 2 DM's. Only 1 of them is, the other is meant to be a box to box mid, who goes between defending and attacking depending on the team's possession of the ball. The same goes for the 3 mids, one of them is meant to be a #10 or another box to box, the other 2 mids are wingers, when we attacking the formation switches over to a 4-3-3, when defending the move back into midfield. It's meant to be flexible. Our problem is we dont execute it the way it should be. CQ insists on using the two “holding” mids as Pepe and Meireles. Meireles is a horrible choice, as he isnt a very good box to box mid, he's too defensive. Doesn't offer much offensively. Tiago would be a much better choice for this role. as he is good at bother attacking and defending. Another problem we do is in our passing game. We tend to hold possession of the ball, pass it back and forth, and never do anything with it. We keep passing the ball back and forth, giving the defending team time to get into their defending positions. This defeats the purpose of using this formation in the first place. When you go on attack, its meant to be fast quick counter attacks where you catch the defending team off guard. This rarely happens cause we tend to hold on to the ball for too long. This needs to change.

    I'm not against we using a 4-4-2, but if we do, it has to be a diamond, using a holding mid at the base of the diamond, Deco the #10 at the tip. Simao should be the LM, Tiago the RM. He could drop back and help defend if we lose the ball and Denmark counter attacks, and attack when we have the ball. Denmark will park the bus and counter attack when we lose the ball. If we use a diamond and use 2 wingers who will be reluctant to drop back and defend when we lose the ball, its gonna be easy for Denmark to score. I still dont like the idea of using Ronaldo as a striker, its never worked in the past. If anything, playing a diamond formation, I would use him at the tip of the diamond behind the two strikers, or he give him a free role roaming the field supporting the striker.
     
  19. eurodad

    eurodad Member+

    Mar 15, 2005
    Brampton
     
  20. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    100% agree on all accounts. Hammer -> Head of the Nail.
     
  21. Omega1alpha

    Omega1alpha Member

    Sep 9, 2007
    Serra das putas
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    «Portugal teve de comprar um ponta-de-lança no Brasil» – Tomasson

    Funny shit....The guy has a point from a certain perspective. It's great to be Portuguese these days. So, much to be proud of....

    A tad bit off topic, but does Denmark have any non-white players on their team? I think they play an all white squad like Italy.....
     
  22. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    dude weve been using black players for how many years now? look at any team photo from the 40s, 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s weve always had at least 1 or 2 africans on our squad.

    its Portugal. there is black people in certain areas, and we colonized part of africa.

    Denmark and Italy, dont have the same type of society.
     
  23. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    To my understanding, thats how it is going to work.
     
  24. ThespecialoneJM

    ThespecialoneJM New Member

    May 13, 2008
    San Jose
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Did I read that right....Denmark has 9 players out due to injury?
     
  25. BGADK

    BGADK Member

    Jun 6, 2009
    Yes, thats right. And the worst part of the team - most of the defence and goal keepers. We will play with the third choice goal keeper :eek: - The same goal keeper as the game in Portugal. The attackers are all availble, but somehow I doubt that we will be playing with 3 forwards tomorrow :cool:.

    Don´t count on that. Denmark NEVER defends on homeground. The team will put a lot of pressure on Portugals defensive midfield, to avoid playing on the Danish half.
    Yes, the team is happy with a draw, but it won't be digging itself in, as Albania or Malta does. And with Daniel Agger out, it will not be 0-0 - so Denmark has got to score one or two goals. It will be a very watchable match, between two good attacking teams. Portugal in most of the ball possesion, but hopefully having difficulty entering the danish half.

    A bit of statistic: Denmark has not lost a qualifing match (EC or WC) in Copenhagen the last 28 years (last loss was in 1981 against Yugoslavia).
     

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