This is definitely something all the supporters groups want and dream of in the new arena. I had the opportunity to be in a hinchada in Argentina and it was amazing to see and wasn't even a big game. Yeah it's not the style your looking for but it brought an atmosphere you don't see at a sporting events in this country. If we can bring at least the passion like that to the new arena it would be awesome. It's gonna take a lot of work across the board and whatever you can bring to the arena to help good on you. I don't know if you have already or not but don't be afraid to swing by the ESC and/or GSS tailgates to talk soccer and supporting, we don't bite
its hard to have hardcore supporter's atmosphere when vuvuzelas are not permitted. Going to a game in Mexico is really an intense experience that for the most part cant be replicated here.
Whatever happened to "Kearny Army"? They lasted about as long as Osorio. I think we might be the only MLS team that has more supporter groups than fans.
I get what you mean about liking the english style of support, but look around the world, and all the supporters are on "their" end behind the goal... ESC really isn't a specific style (barra, ultra, english, etc etc) but incorporate everything that comes into the group... Your example of going crazy for a corner kick is something ESC already does with the very english chant of "Here we go, here we go, here we go......." For example every supporters club is part of the supporters section, but can all be distinct... once chants come up, the ENTIRE section should be singing it to swell up the noise in the stadium, NOT a semi loud chant over here and a semi loud chant over there. Many MLS teams have spread out supporter groups (Toronto, Houston, LA, Chivas, DC eh, la norte??) but I don't see the upside. When GSS joined in 101 this year, the group always looked bigger and sounded better than when they were all the way on the other side of the field. And, off-topic, RBN and ESC and GSS and whatever group comes up, will be singing songs in unison in the supporters section at RBA right? Everyone should learn all the songs from all the groups and be the loudest fans in MLS. I swear, if opening night comes, and these things aren't ironed out, everyone should just give up then.
I see some of your points regarding ESC, and how it should be sung in unison. However, I don't agree withthe ideals and views of these groups that exist, nor do I care for the songs they sing. I don't appreciate the language used, and feel it singles out a large portion of those attending. My goal is to create a group with chants to be used at specific times, by all in attendance. I feel the non-stop singing is not necessary and at times detracts from the action on the pitch.
so let me ask you something.. how many times have you sat in our section.. what do we stand for and what is that you dislike about the songs that we sing.
In talkimg with several members of both groups on these boards, and hearing the songs sung during games, I do not agree with you guys. Without creating an all-out war, do not take this the wrong way, I feel the majority of the songs are pointless, I'm sick of hearing 'metro', and I feel the overall connotation portrayed to outsiders of these groups is one of psuedo-hooliganism.
well let's just say some don't sing metro in their songs.. so i guess you have not been there or know what some groups are about. you ever hear of responding to a pm- it's rude even if to decline, you should respond.
Its just a difference is culture and style of what we feel a supporters end should be. We are extremely diverse and learned long ago segregating the group by ethnic style or type of supporting culture weakened the whole and caused a lot for friction. To combat that over the years we have become a hybrid, an american style club, where we blend the best of each style into one. We use the often vulgar but witty British style songs and chants, the aguante and rythem of the south american barras and we also mix in a little Italian songs and such. Above al its a 90 minute thing, we view being at the match as being the 12th man and an extention of the game itself. I am not sure what "ideals" and "views" we have you dont agree with. Singing 90 minutes? Saying asshole? Whatever, good luck with your supporters club.
This is what I'm talking about. As soon as anyone questions the motives, it's an immediate 'red card'. I was asked what I don't agree with. I've explained my views. I'm sorry that you don't agree with them. I did not call anyone a hooligan. I said I felt there were aspects that were boderline hooligan-istic, if that's a word... That's all. And I didn't say you were berating me now. I was refering to our last conversation. Now, if you or anyother posters do not have anything constructive to add to this discussion, please do not troll on here. Much appreciated.
i'd like to know what type of "hooligan-istic" aspects you've seen in the ESC or GSS. i've been a member for a few years now and i've never seen anything of the sort. i'm not trying to be an asshole here. i really want to know what you consider to be "hooligan-istic".
I've seen a few fights, intra-group, I've witnessed a few members of ESC doing some not so mentionable, 'shady' actions, I will not say on these boards. Again, at the end of the day, I just do not like the songs sung, and the language used, whether that be profanaties, or 'metro'. I prefaced my post with I mean no disrespect to anyone, and if I've offended anyone in what I see as an outsider, I truly apologize. All I wish to do in this thread is garner support for a new supporter group for RBA. I've spoken with members of both GSS and ESC and in the end, I do not wish to join either of these groups. I'm sorry, I just don't. Therefore, that has spurred me to try and create a new one.
That fine, good luck the more passionate fans the better and be prepared its ALOT of work. But if you do start one and when you get put in the supporters end with ESC and GSS and the other clubs don't start complaining about the way we do things please.
Do not worry, there will be no complaining on my part. However, we will not be moved to the supporters section, as the entire arena cannot be relocated! And you guys should start preparing to sing louder, as it'll be hard for us to hear you over the entire arena chanting in unison for RED BULL NEW YORK, not lil ol' metro.
I love it. Anyone that does not parrot the "Red Bull is 100% pure evil" party line gets accused of being a shill for the front office.
I tried to be nice to you, but you seem hell bent of creating your divide so; I will beleive all this when i see it. I haven't seen a whole lot of interest in your unamed club idea yet and to be honest i really don't see your wishy washy attitude of football support as being something a lot of local football fans will get behind in any large scale numbers. I am sure you may find a few folks here and there that will abide by your "no cursing british style" (oxymoron), anti pseudo-hooligan, ultra pro red bulls idea...but i won't hold my breath. So like i said, good luck.
I don't know maybe the fact that he wants to create a "rival" supporters group, doesn't want to sit with the other supporters and finds ESC "hooligan-like" screams RBFO to me, . I'm sure RBFO will take an issue with ESC waving the Metro flag at the new arena so the FO will do its utmost to undermine ESC. Notice no one accused you or Viper or any of the other people on the other side of the debate as RB shills. Can someone remind me again why this guy wasn't joining RedBull Nation?