big news out of NJ tomorrow

Discussion in 'NJ/NY Sky Blue' started by soccerreigns, Jul 29, 2009.

  1. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    did not know this. thanx.

    in fact his snide remarks questioned any work she did and any effect she had, and her response suggests that it had been happening all along. so her leaving may have had less to do with dorini than with the fact that her boss was undermining her all the time.

    it still looks bad tho. i sense that she simply took what her friend (dorini) told her and did not know the seriousness of what he was doing. (i have no clue what he was doing, but the sky blue management says it was serious. i'm just assuming that dorini witheld the real truth from her). so that when he was disciplined and decided to resign, she decided to resign too. couldn't she have stuck it out until the end of the season?

    both sides must take some blame here, and it is undoubtedly some messy laundry that the league would have preferred to avoid.
     
  2. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    All in all it was bad handling by SBFC. I don't blame her for quitting. When were they going to tell her? When were they going to include her in any decision? So they made the decision first then they were gold to tell her? Then they talk bad about her.
    Don't blame this on Kelly Lindsey. I hope she gets another job with a real organized franchise and leave this Mickey Mouse organization behind her.

    And this crap of abandoning the players? The players had nothing to do with this, IMO. It looks to me like she left because of unprofessionalism of this organization.
     
  3. geewizzz

    geewizzz Member

    Sep 4, 2008
    Well it looks like they were going to tell her within a few hours to a day.
    It's all very messy indeed...but it looks like Lindsey resigned without listening to what management had to say.

    Before making rash decisions people should look at the whole situation. From both sides.Or from all sides if a player was involved. That to me didn't happen.

    Now the SB management are bad mouthing her which is not good. They should have said their piece with grace. It doesn't look good for everyone involved..including Lindsey.
     
  4. Longtimesub

    Longtimesub Member

    May 18, 2009
    I think there already was a tension between the management and Coach Lindsey before this "incident". I guess Coach Lindsey got so angry about being disrespected that she decided not to listen to management's explanations.

    SB management apparently decided not to take a "high road". Maybe they should have spoken to a PR specialist...I don't think they are winning the "PR battle". More people probably are sympathetic towards Coach Lindsey now. That might change once the real story comes out.
     
  5. PoetSong

    PoetSong New Member

    Jun 9, 2002
    Massachusetts
    "[The players] look at the tapes, and they'll agree that their play was not good. So is that now not [Lindsey's] responsibility? Does she only get credit for the fact that we were winning some games?" he said. "Because at the end of the day, we all know that the players win games. The game is won or lost between the lines. And the coach's input is on the training field. So, were we now playing poorly a little bit because of poor training between the time we had our run and now? There's no way to answer that."

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=665089&sec=wps&root=wps&cc=5901

    That's an interesting perspective. Yes, it's true that those on the field are responsible, but is it not true that coaches create an environment for success/failure, etc.. Same with bosses, teachers, etc.. They set the expectations, make it enjoyable or torturous, etc.. The players, students, employees have to live (or survive) in that atmosphere..

    Given the perspective noted by Marrone- I'm not sure which coach would be successful in the NY/NJ- if (as it appears) the players would receive support and not their coaches.

    Just a few thoughts...

    Best wishes to them all.
     
  6. Smulan

    Smulan Member

    Apr 3, 2008
    Marrone: "I just think that she never really won the respect of the team... I think that Kelly did a good job with the situation that she came into, without question. You saw a change in the team. Now all I would question is, was that change in the team because it was Kelly? Or is the change in the team because it was anybody but Ian? And that's a question that nobody can answer."

    WHO would want to work for this guy if there was any other option?! I find it particularly odious that he seems to imply that he's wreaking his peculiar vengeance because the players didn't respect her :confused:. Regardless of whether this was in fact true, the GM trying to pass the buck for his back-stabbing shows an amazing lack of professionalism.

    Lindsey comes off as a true pro with her "I point to the public comments made by Sky Blue as an example of the behavior I do not wish to be a part of any longer."
     
  7. angel3

    angel3 New Member

    Aug 6, 2008
    Skyblue has the least talented lineup of the all the teams in the league, and the way the owner is running this team, I guess he had a lot of input in selecting that roster.

    Skyblue had not played well as a team until the last 5-6 games. They are actually outperforming expectation. In the last 2 games, Skyblue lost 1-0 to St Louis, a team that came on very strong of late, it tied Boston 0-0. That was not a big crime considering the caliber of players on this team.

    It's pathetic that the owner should make those comments.
     
  8. Longtimesub

    Longtimesub Member

    May 18, 2009
    Should she have told the GM about the player missing the game?

    Isn't that really up to the coach?

    The GM didn't explain what other decisions were...



    Quote from the article:

    Lindsey began the season as the assistant head coach under Sawyers but was elevated to head coach after the club suspended Sawyers on May 23 (he was fired several days later). The team was 1-3-2 with Sawyers at the helm and 5-4-3 under Lindsey. While many fans might have thought things were going well, Marrone said Lindsey struggled as head coach. He also said she made "multiple decisions without telling the management first," including recently allowing a player to miss a game because of a family commitment without consulting him, a move he did not agree with.
     
  9. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The management of this organization sound like a bunch of paranoid control freaks.
     
  10. kool-aide

    kool-aide Member+

    Feb 1, 2002
    a van by the river
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At the very least, they look worse & worse the more they talk to the press.
     
  11. pasoccerdad

    pasoccerdad Member

    Mar 17, 2008
    KOP
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He also said she made "multiple decisions without telling the management first,"

    Is that not what the Head Coach is supposed to do - manage the Players, and the GM manages everything else

    Who let these people talk to the media? did they draw straws and decide which mental patient speaks for the team now ?
     
  12. SomebodyOrOther

    SomebodyOrOther BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 8, 2002
    Over here!
    To those who are saying that Lindsey looks bad for not communicating with the Sky Blue management: how do we know she did not try to talk to them repeatedly regarding any issues she was having and maybe she just got blown off? All we have are the management's statements so go by...and since the management's statements are pretty wacky I'm personally not necessarily inclined to believe everything they say.

    Kudos to Kelly for not participating in a full-scale media war with SB management. "At this time, as to why I left, especially when the team was on the verge of securing a playoff bid, I point to the public comments made by Sky Blue as an example of the behavior I do not wish to be a part of any longer." That makes her case without slinging mud more than she has to.
     
  13. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Who is the public relations consultant for SBFC? He/she needs to be fired. The more they talk the more they sound stupid.
     
  14. soccerreigns

    soccerreigns New Member

    Jul 22, 2009

    OH please!
     
  15. soccerreigns

    soccerreigns New Member

    Jul 22, 2009
    actually they have a great lineup or they wouldn't be where they are with all the crap these people have done including coaches and staff

    Yes lately haven't played as well but hopefully this WEAK group as you call it will come together... and who picked these players...sawyers i would think.
     
  16. angel3

    angel3 New Member

    Aug 6, 2008
    I don't know if I'd call Skyblue's a great lineup. Compare with the rest of the teams, they are at the bottom.
     
  17. SomebodyOrOther

    SomebodyOrOther BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 8, 2002
    Over here!
    No, sorry.
     
  18. soccerreigns

    soccerreigns New Member

    Jul 22, 2009
    i would say we are slow at midfield with the exception of Orielly and that hurts at times.... but there are several players in wrong positoins that could help out that midfield tremedously...but i'm not the coach but who is! haha
     
  19. papyrus

    papyrus New Member

    Nov 29, 2008
    NYC
    " "pretty serious personnel issue." that any employer would handle the same way?

    No one gets fired for sleeping with/seeing a co-worker, so I can't believe this was the issue. Maybe it was harassment?

    Unless, in the WPS, it's like a professor-student situation, where sex is usually forbidden, (unless you go to UC Santa Cruz or Smith College etc).
     
  20. soccerreigns

    soccerreigns New Member

    Jul 22, 2009
    oh my the rutgers coach drives me nuts on the audio....he sure is plugging Big East.....if i could see it i would turn audio off...
     
  21. DCUPopeAndLillyFan

    Apr 20, 2000
    Colorado
    It's nice to have the audio, but I feel like I'm listening to a play by play in a morgue most of the time
     
  22. Smulan

    Smulan Member

    Apr 3, 2008
    Perhaps in a morgue with a crazy guy doing the night shift. "Brett" is a bit of a screamer.
     
  23. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Hard to believe this isn't obvious to everyone - especially those involved
     
  24. soccerreigns

    soccerreigns New Member

    Jul 22, 2009
    pretty good soccer for sky blue considered they are such a weak team by posters. Way to step up ladies and be professional and get the job done!!
     
  25. RUfan

    RUfan Member

    Dec 11, 2004
    NJ
    Club:
    Sky Blue FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...He also said she made "multiple decisions without telling the management first," including recently allowing a player to miss a game because of a family commitment without consulting him, a move he did not agree with...."

    A player recently missed a game for her sister's wedding. Hard to believe this is something that was not known for a while, and that he had to give permission to the player to leave for.
     

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