Pre-match: Albania (World Cup Qualifier 2010) - Estonia (friendly)

Discussion in 'Portugal: National Teams' started by F.P.F.4life, May 14, 2009.

  1. Benfica4Life

    Benfica4Life Member

    Feb 16, 2006
    Providence, RI
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I completely agree!!! Theres a reson why all those players are subs and reserves. They suck. Rolando is great for Porto, sucks with the NT. Something like Ronaldo. Hes a absolute GOD for ManU and is barely a presense on the NT.

    Eliseu is the same. He did farely well in Spain with Malaga. Who was one of those small teams who shocked the league and played well. The Leixoes of La Liga.

    Really Edinho is sub in a Greek league? :confused: That explains alot!

    Yeah. England blew and now their getting back on track. And Portugal who was a powerhouse and was on the list of top 6 teams in the world is now getting worse and worse and is in 11th place. Guess England will replace us.

    Honestly, maybe it is best to miss the WC. Id rather not get embarassed. CQ absolutely killed the team.

    Without a doubt, of course he would be wayyyyyy better then Liedson. Liedson is a better finisher, as fantastic mobility and technique. Liedson was the 2nd best scorer in the league.

    I wish Mourinho didnt resign with Inter and signed for Portugal. we all know he can take a club and make them champions. Now lets see if he could handle the NT.
     
  2. ThespecialoneJM

    ThespecialoneJM New Member

    May 13, 2008
    San Jose
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I dont think its to say Eliseu sucks already....It's just one game and he showed flashes at some points in the game.
     
  3. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Yeah, I hear you buddy. Did he say the other day, the team are on a good path to qualify? Is this guy even living in the same universe? It's amazing.

    And the sad thing is, these friendlies against teams like Estonia are mainly chosen to have weak teams that we can beat up on to build team confidence. And instead, it's accomplishing the exact opposite. A team like Estonia in a friendly, and they can't even score, all he's doing is bringing the team confidence down lower.

    It's clear as day, that he has lost the locker room and the respect of the players. What's it going to take for the FPF to see what us fans are seeing so clearly?
     
  4. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Yeah, but scoring goals against weak Portuguese teams is one thing, doing it at the NT level against stronger opponents is a whole different game. I have my doubts, but I can't proven wrong unless he gets called. It remains to be seen.
     
  5. PassItOn

    PassItOn New Member

    Dec 29, 2004
    NJ
    I lost 2 hrs of my life watching this horrible match.
    How can I get this time back? Opps I can't.
    What a stupid way to to spend my Dia de Luiz de Camoes, maybe it would've been better just going out to the deck, and read some of the Lusiadas.

    As for the game they were has horrible as the f'ng commentator, what a joke.

    As for Queiroz he's way ahead of his time, and redifining the DM position.
    Simply amazing, just horrible to watch.
     
  6. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Yeah, those flashes were the ball hitting the stadium lights every time he booted it into the stands. :p
     
  7. FCPorto_Dragao

    Jun 15, 2005
    E DUBs
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    That failure to qualify for the World Cup in 94 was one of the biggest let downs for me as a young kid growing up, worshipping the Portuguese National Team. I used to tell all my Italian friends in the schoolyard (Italy also in that group) how good of a team Portugal was, and they always used to make fun of me and my Portuguese friends for saying so...Queiroz was one of the reasons for that rocky patch in my childhood and ill will towards ignorant Italians, because that year, Queiroz proved those conceited wops right...

    a Futre in his prime, Domingos, young Rui Costa and young Figo, an experienced Joao Pinto at right back, a burgoening Vitor Baia, a youthful Jorge Costa, a speedy JVP, an eternal Rui Barros...all to shit thanks to that tosser. It may happen again, except I can honestly say this year that aside from Ronaldo, Deco and Carvalho, we don't quite have the talent that the 94 class did.

    His "well done guys" attitude towards everything might help pump morale in the youth ranks like it did for the youth cups he won, but not with multimillionaire guys who needs more incentive than petty motivational cliches.

    To be fair, I didn't watch this Estonia match, but I heard it was an abomination of futebol. And, I think I read somewhere here that Nani was underrated?!?! Check those glasses...he seems to be on the right track as the next Postiga...slowly moving into obscurity. I used to be a supporter of him as a compliment to Ronaldo, but with each time I've seen him play, its one more vote for Simao on the other wing.
     
  8. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    its not really that "easy" to score goals in our league, and many Portuguese-league players scored goals for Portugal in important games in tournaments (hmm our 3-2 loss to Germany I believe gomes and postiga both scored)

    trust me if there ever was a Portuguese striker scoring around 20 goals per season in our league we wouldnt have these severe striker problems on the national team.





    Great Post, but the FPF is merely continuing the long Portuguese tradition of hiring incompetent managers to turn talented national sides into SHIT.

    Back in the 90s we were a joke, we only did anything at euro 96 the rest we were fail. Nike didnt even make our jersies , noone cared about Portugal and we were simply a irrelevant team. you couldnt find our merchandise in every sports store in town (Toronto) like you do now and I even see non-Portuguese ppl wearing the stuff that noone would touch with a 12 foot pole 15 years ago. back in the day I saw a Portugal olympic NT friendly game here in toronto in 1995 there was hardly anyone at varsity stadium from what I remember. 2 years ago I went to see Portugal U20 vs mexico couldnt even get a ticket thing was jamp packed with Portugal fans.

    Queiroz is brining us back to the dark ages, this is where it starts.

    2nd step is not-qualifying for WC 2010 and then possible euro 2012

    then Fifa wont put Portugal in their video games anymore

    then nike wont make our jerseys, theyll be made by lacatoni or olympic or something.

    then C.Ronaldo will be some fat washed up player playing for Uniao Da Madeira and fighting with fans.

    thgen when Portugal eventually flukes its way back into a tournament down the road, the newspaper will rank us 130-1 outsiders and then act surprised when we defeat some overrated piss poor england side and then lose in the semi finals to france again.

    ITS SCARY
    I hope we dont return to those days

    only thing now we can do is WATCH and HOPE

    FORCA!!!!!
     
  9. ThespecialoneJM

    ThespecialoneJM New Member

    May 13, 2008
    San Jose
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I always hear the whole "we're in rebuilding stage" F that shit. Do you ever see teams like Italy or Germany in rebuilding mode? Never. And dont say its because of a talent issue because Portugal is right up with those teams in talent...the difference is the mentalities are way different. Portugal has a losers mentality always will be like that until proven otherwise, you can see it on the sidelines on the coaches faces and on the players faces....Italy and Germany are winners because they have a winners mentality. Rebuilding is for tossers.
     
  10. Mijorho

    Mijorho New Member

    Dec 1, 2008
    Rebuilding is one thing. But it looks like we're in demolition phase.
     
  11. Quaresma

    Quaresma New Member

    Aug 1, 2003
    Steeltown
    Bullshit.

    Teams like italy and spain constantly produce youngsters showing world class potential.

    Where are ours right now?

    coentrao yazalde etc like all of you mention who do ******** all against half decent teams like chile, france, mexico youths, but show up vs the mighty qatar..yah really showing their quality.

    Hows bruno gama, barbosa, etc doing in our league?

    Please, we have maybe one youngster right now proving himself to be high quality, and thats it.

    No other young player is making an impact, while in those other nations the italians, spanish, germans, are littered with them.

    Spain and Italy alone are goldmines currently for example.

    Busquets, mata, pique, capel, fabregas, bojan, javi garcia, merida

    Giovinco, Santon, Balotelli, Rossi, montovilio, Acquafresca, cerci

    Portugals youngsters who have shown high end quality against very competitive opposition lately....

    Daniel Carrico

    ...............

    Manuel Fernandes if you count a 23 year old.

    Maybe the players we have produced the past decade or so was a blip? The past few years its certainly looked that way...its quite troublesome.
     
  12. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    I think this talent's generation doesn't match the golden or platinum one but above all (like ThespecialoneJM said) it's a problem of discipline in the lower ranks.

    Portugal even in the seniors suffer an issue, similar to a schizophrenic, that they need to balance the sufficient amount of motivation and discipline.
    Spoiling to maintain their confidence and yet slap when going over (or doing nothing at all).
    It's like taking care of a kindergarten.

    Apparently, there's going to be a structural change in the lower ranks after the summer. Let's see if the change of coaches (that are with us for a freaking long time) will modernize the younger's perspective about the game.

    As for the seniors...in this case we just need a better coach.
     
  13. quinas1139

    quinas1139 New Member

    Sep 18, 2007
    NJ & PA
    Regarding the game....

    I was looking forward to watching Eliseu but must say I was very dissapointed.

    Miguel was solid out there and should be a regular starter. Not only does he bring lots of experience but he's a fighter and isn't affraid to get in his teammates faces.

    Beto was great! He looked like a goalie! He was very lively and was getting to everything, he made some great saves but he does need to improve his sense of location. Some of those balls he went after were going out.

    Edinho didn't get much service but he's very fast and agile and could have done more with better service.I see more of an upside from him then from Almeida.

    And lastly, I was very impressed with Ze Castro. He was very smooth out there and was passing the ball very well. He reminded me of Carvalho and Costinha. Would like to see him against some stiffer competition.

    PS - Bosingwa must play left back. Brandao didn't impress and Duda looked bad for the 2nd straight game.
     
  14. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    I'm watching "Footvolley - Bruno Alves Challenge" in SportTv atm.


    Raúl Meireles and Edinho vs H. Almeida and Pepe.

    And I can tell you that Edinho is freaking awful at this...
     
  15. dipluso

    dipluso Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    CT
    Great quotes from you guys. My favorites:

    Totally right. I had the exact same experience in NYC.

    Again, right on. Only you forgot Paulo Sousa.

    I would put Bosingwa in the World Class talent list. Pepe, B.Alves, Miguel and Simao are one step down but still talented.
    LOL. You're right. He's taken a step in that direction - with Real Madrid as the gateway...

    And the absolute favorite:
    AHAHAH. That might have to become a signature somewhere...

    Well done guys. As in every tragedy, humor is the best remedy...
     
  16. quinas1139

    quinas1139 New Member

    Sep 18, 2007
    NJ & PA
    You have things a little distorted there bud.
    Jorge Costa was not on that team nor was he on the 1996 Euro team.
    Futre had just passed his prime or I should say was starting to feel the effects of his injuries. I think in the middle of the 94 WC campaign is when he left Atletico and went to Benfica.

    Rui Costa, Figo, JVP, Baia all there but very young. They were still wet behind the ears when they played in the 96 euro.

    What we lacked was a good forward. Domingos was good for Porto but not really great for Portugal. Who else was there? Folha, Porfirio, Cadete??? Dont remember...
     
  17. FCPorto_Dragao

    Jun 15, 2005
    E DUBs
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    you're right about Costa...I just remember seeing him with that adidas Portugal strip at one point and I equate that with USA 94.

    And ya, I totally forgot about Paulo Sousa.

    but how Queiroz couldnt strategize around the likes of Alain Sutter and Chapuisat is a joke
     
  18. Figo Rules

    Figo Rules Member

    Apr 20, 2005
    Toronto

    We did beat and tie the Swiss. The problem was losing both to Italy, while Switzerland actually beat and tied Italy.
     
  19. patCOSTA

    patCOSTA Member

    Mar 30, 2005
    The problem with Portugal is they have no team...

    Back in the day we had this guy called Figo... Do you guys remember him?

    Players would look for him on the field, pass to him, and then he would create something with the ball.

    Today, We have one of the greatess players ever, his name is C. Ronaldo. The problem is we don't even play him in the wing anymore, and players don't pass to him like we once did with Figo.

    There's too many egos in this team, they need to work together and pass to Ronaldo since he has more skill and talent them all of them.

    This is what happens in Manchester United, forget about all the goals C. Ronaldo scores, but look at all the things he does...

    He creates, Corner because of his ability with the ball, he creates fould that become free kicks, and he also creates penalties that hel his team tremendously.

    If Portugal could manage to reproduce this then they will become a great "TEAM" once again.

    We have the players to do it, but we do not have #1 the coach and the chemestry to reproduce it.

    C. Ronaldo
    Deco
    Simao
    Nani
    Maniche
    Calvahio
    Pepe
    Bosingwa
    Miguel...

    These are all top players and when they play together they are amazing.
    I do think not making the wc will help this country and team overall, just like England. They are the favorites to win wc 2010 vs Spain if possible.

    Sometimes losing if the best thing that could happen to a team and a person. I hope they make it, but I am very realistic and this team is not even in th top 80 right now. Canada has more flair then this sappy team.
     
  20. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I agree, sometimes things have to get worse to get better.

    That said, if don't make it into the WC, nothing is going to change. They will still keep CQ. The FPF have already said that he will stay through his contract through 2012. So not making it will change nothing.

    Madail needs to go. Is there a way to get him out, can the rest of the board call for a vote of no confidence?
     
  21. jec1

    jec1 Member

    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Portugal
    Aug 27, 2004
    Los Angeles ATM
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    He was suppose to leave with Scolari. I don't understand why he's still in office. As for the team, It's time to rebuild. There in disarray and it sucks to know that FPF will do nothing. All this talk about "things have to get worse to get better" is drivel, now is the time to infuse new talent. I'm sick of it!

    FPF better smarten up cause Portugal has done shit in the past decade. Spain have a better future then us. Shameful!
     
  22. Portugeezer!

    Portugeezer! Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Raynham, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    What new talent? Our U-21 teams haven't accomplished much either lately.

    But regardless, our main problem is not the players. We have enough talent to be in top 10 in the world, there is no reason for these players to not be good enough to qualify. The major problem is the manager. Like myself and others have brought up the situation with England. These are pretty much except for one or two, the same players that weren't able to qualify for the Euro 08. What made the difference was bringing in Capello, a world class manager. Portugal needs the same thing. Some one who can get these players to play to their full potential.

    Well, that's a bit extreme.
    Euro 2000 - Semi's
    Euro 2004 - Finalists
    World Cup 2006 - Semi's
    Euro 2008 - Quarters

    I would hardly call that doing shit as you say. How many teams can say they have had a better record than that? Not many.In the past decade, I worst showing have been World Cup 2002 and this 2010 qualifying.


    Well duh!! They are Euro Champs, Their team is has 2 of the best strikers in the world, 2 of the best midfielders in the world, and probably the best keeper in the world right now. And they are still fairly young, just starting to hit their peak. You can't compare Portugal to Spain, nor is it fair to compare Portugal to Spain. It's nothing to be ashamed about at all.
     
  23. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    They had their fate in their hands all the way to the last game where they blew it. They just needed a draw.
     
  24. castanha

    castanha New Member

    Aug 5, 2004
    We're roughly 10 games into the QC era and I can honestly say that we haven't played one complete, decent game in that time. The best game we played, that I can think of, was against Denmark, until the last 5 minutes. Other than that, we have looked down-right bland. There is no excuse for that. Losing is one thing, but our performances of late have just been poor.

    I hate to call for anyone's job, but I don't think CQ is getting it done. I'm no soccer expert, but it's getting hard to even watch these games. It doesn't look like this direction is working. Hopefully, things will begin to click in September, but I haven't seen anything to make me think that is likely.

    I've been following the NT since 2002, and this is the worst we have looked since then.
     
  25. ThespecialoneJM

    ThespecialoneJM New Member

    May 13, 2008
    San Jose
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Im talking about the talent on the field right now....Im well aware of the state of our youth teams compared to others. The talent we have right now is up there with the likes of Italy, Germany, and England. With the talent we have now we dont need to rebuild, yet others are calling for it. Its crap and unwarranted. We have some decent pieces in the youth teams but not enough with the likes of Germany and spain but enough to fill in the holes in our current lineup. Rebuilding is crap and especionally with the team we have, rebuilding shouldnt even be in the vocabulary. However, a new coach, a foreign coach would be much appreciated. Wont happen though.
     

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