That's the same way I feel towards him now too....he hogs the ball like he wants to be the team hero all the time like he was with Liga...doesn't work that way in a NT. Although him and Benitez are young, I've lost my hopes for them in THIS qualifiers....maybe in the next one they will have matured completely into players that have finally met their potential. Until that time comes I believe they don't deserve to be in our NT, especially not as starters. Benitez owes the NT enough goals to make him the top goal scorer of this Qualifiers and Guerron owes us more goals then Mendez has scored. Guerron needs to see Noboa and Montero as examples for him to follow. They've played their heart out with our NT since their first game and gave us good results by being team players. And we still have one more player that we haven't seen and who promises a lot: Joao Rojas....hopefully we see him against Argentina and leaves us impressed with his futbol just as Montero and Noboa have.
you're right about benitez..but look at the tenorio detractors. unlike guerron, benitez can cooperate on plays and i think this move to the PL will definitely make him into a better striker because he's guaranteed a starting spot, at least in the beginning, because birmingham broke the bank for him. hope is not lost with either of the two: one needs to find his groove on the NT, and the other needs to find humility and a sense of accountability.
good point but what i meant was that i think montero played better and was the better man but tenorio and noboa werent to far behind either lol sorry for the stupid mistake comment jajaja
lol....i won't take back my statements until i see more consistency out of him....he gave us a big goal, but we need him to step up much more. look at the other games where he hasn't done anything...gotta see more from him, thats all i'm saying.
lol Don't blame him...he had all the right to feel that way. 95% of us did. I can't speak bad about Palacios now, but he's still now a starter in my book...just not yet.
Palacios hasn't really played much for the NT either. Palacios has had 2 good straight, he participated the the first goal for Ecuador against peru and today 1 goal and 1 assist. Lets be serious, aside from Tin Delgado, who has done anything of relevance up front? Benitez??? Caicedo??? this 2 guys cost us many points in the qualifiers so far. Lets hope Tenorio can get back in shape. And do you really want to compare Palacios to Ebelio and Mamita? Palacios is actually a talented.
True Palacios has lacked opportunities...reason why not too long ago i suggested he get an opportunity. Against Peru he disappointed me completely. The goal Montero scored wasn't an assistance from him, it was an assitance from Tenorio. He participated in the play...but thats it. He lost the few balls he got in touch with most of the time and didn't make his presence felt. But in this game, I give it to him....he entered it determined and with garra. I still don't think he's a starter in our NT nor give him millions of praises yet. He's gotta be consistent...same goes for Tenorio, but IMO Tenorio should start from now on. Tenorio is the closest thing to a good CF that we have. Benitez is the last person on my list or mind right now. To me the list of Forwards that should be taken in consideration next time are: Tenorio, Rojas, Palacios, Caicedo...I don't consider any of these starters besides Tenorio. This brings me back to one player who has not started a single game this whole Qualifiers yet has been in our squad lots of times: Felix Borja. Just as Palacios, Borja has lacked opportunities in our NT. If anything Palacios has had way more minutes in 2 games than Borja has had this whole Qualifiers in the many times hes been in our squad. Borja has not been tested in a Qualifier yet besides playing for 5-10 minutes. Just thought I'd bring him up.... And in our Local Tournament, the only player that should be looked at is Narciso Mina..
I ain't saying that Palacios is the best thing since Slice bread, but he doesn't "SUCK" like most people put it. And it is almost ignorant to compare him to Mamita or Ebelio. I agree that Borja hasn't gotten many chances, and maybe Vizuete should give him and Palacios more oportunities.
you say "thats it" b/c we all haven't seen him have an opportunity in a game that COUNTS like a WCQ. He's only had a few minutes here and there 5-10 at most and in like 2 or 3 games.... He's been injured since around February but I think he's already recovered and getting ready for another season at Mainz 05 which has now moved up to Bundesliga 1. I think we should have tried Borja out when he had 16 or more goals on his account a little bit over a year ago playing for Mainz and seen what he could do.
OK I haven't had time until now to collect all my thoughts and put them in one place, so here goes: 1) WTF is up with the rain in Quito. I believe that besides Brazil and Paraguay, ALL of our home games have been played in the rain, which in my view is a huge disadvantage, because normally at home our game plan is to keep possession. 2) Can we inject Carlos Tenorio with some steroid or painkillers for the rest of his career? We need him for the rest of the matches, and it's his last opportunity to lead the attack at this level, it's very frustrating to have to change our forward lineup every game. 3) Why does Caicedo play like a 40-year old? I am really hoping this guy fulfills his promise, but it's hard to watch him and then see Jefferson Montero, a 19-year old, working his a$$ off for every ball and attacking relentlessly. Caicedo is becoming a master at passing the ball back to the guy that gave it to him, then standing and watching. Somebody needs to put a fire under this guy and make him WANT to score goals. 4) Elizaga is the greatest goalkeeper in the world - when it comes to covering for his own terrible mistakes. 5) Is Messi that fast, or is Ivan Hurtado that slow?? Messi didn't even have to dribble, he just kicked the ball and ran after it, in order to beat our defenders. Honestly, I liked our back line of Guagua and Fleitas better. 6) I asked this in another thread, but WTF is up with Valencia and hitting the post ???? I mean, statistically it's almost impossible to hit the post more times than you score. In this WCQ, I don't think he has scored, but he has hit the post at least 3 times that I can remember!! It's gotta be some sort of record. 7) As far as statistics, check this out - we have scored 18 goals in this qualifying, yet our scoring leader is Edison Mendez with only 3 goals. 8) Did you know we have 5 wins, 5 ties, and only 1 loss since Vizuete became coach? (and remember 2 of those ties were last-second brain farts by our defense) That's it for now. Can't think of any more comments.
I wouldn't be so harsh on hurtado, guagua or fleitas would of suffered the same fate. After all we are talking about a 19 year old who is considered the best player in the world and has ran around the best defenders in europe, and in front we have a 34 year old hurtado who is currently without a team.
you guys know what more messed up i was on the fifa site yesterday and mendez is the leading scorer and than KAVIEDES has to, and he only played a few games, man i wish he would come back and show our strikers how to score
what is the deal with Kaviedes now a days??? Is he really like FOR REAL retired? Or is he still training with Liga (P) to get back into futbol? What is the deal with him?
alright guys... STFU with this tenorio crap.. back when he was injured no one wanted his back.. and whyyy?? well do u guys remember that first game against venezuela? he missed just as many times as benitez.. hes had a good game against peru thats it, cuase we didnt see much of hime in the arg game.. so dont get excited about carlos come gol tenorio anymore please.. and im starting the to think maybe we should play with one foward and 5 mids, especially against colombia. like manolo said Edison mendez is our leading scorer with three aovi has three as well and noboa has two MOntero has one and castillo idk if any but truth is most of these guys are better at finding the net than our fowards so why not pack our midfield with these guys and attack colombias stingy defense from the outside since we already know what happens when we try to get in the box from what happened in quito.. p.s. hopefully guerron and bola~os can find form again, cuase we know those two midfielders can score as well..