typical FA/Premier league administration idiots who insist on always nominating the players with 3 months of the season to go. only the english football authorities could be so stupid.... i would nominate lampard, hes been the best english player i think. ireland's been decent, vidic too.
Ryan Giggs is currently trading at just 1.33 favourite on betfair. Can only guess that some people have seen a leak/heard a rumour and acted upon it.
According to The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/26/premierleague-manchester-united PFA Player's Player of The Year Ryan Giggs PFA Young Player of The Year Ashley Young PFA Team of The Year Edwin van der Sar; Glen Johnson, Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic, Patrice Evra; Ashley Young, Steven Gerrard, Ryan Giggs, Cristiano Ronaldo; Nicolas Anelka, Fernando Torres I am surprised by both of those. I thought it should have gone to Vidic and Ireland respectively. The omission of Rooney from the team of the year is another strange one.
I don't understand this at all. Other players have been more vital to their teams and have put up better numbers than Giggs. Plus this isn't even the best season he has had. Seems more like a lifetime achievement award than anything else.
VDS Johnson - Ferdinand - Vidic - Evra C.Ronaldo - Gerrard - Giggs - A.Young Torres - Anelka Firstly, those bolded players should not be in the starting XI, Anelka should be no where near the top 30 players in the EPL this season, Johnson might have shown a little in attack but defensively, he has been mediocre at best. Giggs and Gerrard in the middle? If they were going to go with Gerrard as a CM in this team, then Rooney is the only other forward that could partner Torres.
I think it links back to what we said about few players standing out. As I said previously VDS was in it for the record he set and since he was up for the main award he was obviously going to be in the side. The same applies to the other nominees for the main award. The winners of the two awards will obviously be included as well. The one major, major problem I have is with the Torres inclusion when you consider what his record was when the votes were cast. Football is not just about numbers. That said Giggs does have 8 assists this season in the league and double that in all competitions.
you just have to love the hypocracy here, you really do. Teso, you never fail to amaze. Obviously the PFA Awards once again showing what they really are, no suprise really.
a few players who should feel a little agrieved Mark Schwarzer Phil Jagielka Frank Lampard Wayne Rooney Xabi Alonso feel free to add in as needed
I do not see any problem with the two statements. Football is not just about numbers (i.e. end product) or Ronaldo would have won again despite not performing at his best. My issue is Torres had neither the numbers nor the performances when the vote was cast. I do not understand how he can be included in the team over other options when you take everything into account. As I have already said the Man Utd defensive split the vote which is why Schwarzer and Jagielka missed out. It also took places away from other positions which is why Rooney and Lampard missed out. Finally the annual Gerrard nomination stole it from Alonso. It all comes down to no-one standing out this season and the only thing of note being the defensive record set by Man Utd. It has been a strange season in that regard.
as you said football is not about numbers? or is it as you presented Giggs' assists as part of the stats in regards to an argument... but what does that mean you contradicted yourself, or are you somehow trying to put spin on everything with this post oh teso, your logic makes me dizzy... no need to waste further time on that though, back to where the attention is deserved the comedic PFA list have to say in regards to the earlier post that I would have a hard time thinking of a LB better than Evra this season and I have seen A. Cole play quite a lot of games at a very high level.
Of course it isn't, which is why I was arguing earlier that Vidic should get the award. What has Giggs has done this season to deserve this award? I would argue that other players have been more important to their team, put in better performances, and had a bigger impact on the entire league. The only difference is that those players don't play for the team who will win the league. Even if you said the POY had to be a ManU player, I wouldn't pick Giggs as their most important player.
I do love how you are pathetically trying to twist posts to suit your stance and send threats via PM. Pity it will not work. I have already mentioned in these discussions that we should not solely look at the number of starts (which many are doing in an infantile attempt to bash Giggs) nor should we solely look at end product (which again, was used in an attempt to bash Giggs). I also specifically referred to performance as another factors that obviously must be considered. I have always advocated taking everything into account and I feel I have done so with my explanation, both pre/post the award, of how the nominations list came about and how Giggs won. Quite why you are insisting on trying to ruin the discussion with your irrelevant sniping and attempts to twist posts is beyond me. I advise you to stop. Giggs has been spoken of as a contender for a large part of the season. He has been a key player for Man Utd in terms of creativity from the centre of the park and as a someone to change a game when brought off the bench. I agree that I do not think he should have won but to claim that he is a bad winner or an undeserved nomination would be incorrect. Unfortunately a lot of the good that Giggs has done will only be noticed when you watch the full games instead of the brief highlights that most do when you only see the end result and the focus is on those who finish the players that Giggs has often been instrumental in. As I have said no-one has stood out this season so it obviously depends on what the players have watched, what games they have played in and how they are balancing the various factors involved. I have no doubt his career has played a small part in the decision but when no-one is the clear winner people often look beyond the usual factors. It will be interesting to see how the writers' award pans out.
no teso what is pathetic is that you are trying to bring in your trolling of the Chelsea board into this discussion with your lame attempts and comments regarding the pms. You know why they were directed to you and the reason, but please keep up the tough guy act it really suits you. End of the day you are defending someone you dont think should have won the award- I would have loved to see your "logic" if Gerrard would have won. I would bet my mortgage you would have been screaming outrage.
There has been no trolling simply discussion. I know the latter is not something that is traditionally liked on your board from 'outsiders' but it makes it no less relevant. This is not an insular BigChelsea site after all. All I am doing is discussing the awards and responding to posts that I think are unfair. While I expected Vidic to win the simple truth is any of them could have won and there would have been reasons, to varying degrees, to justify them all. In the case of Gerrard I do not think he should have been nominated ahead of Alonso but it is an annual event for him so it was to be expected. Once he was nominated there was always the chance he could win and I discussed it previously. With a split vote in regard to the Man Utd defense, no standout performer this season, the fact that Man Utd players had to vote for Gerrard by default and Gerrard's somewhat suspect nomination in the first place I would not have been surprised had he won it. I would have considered it undeserved, obviously, but I would have understood the circumstances that enabled it to occur. Unfortunately rival fans are being far less objective when it comes to discussing Giggs' win.
bit of a travesty really, giggs has minimal starts vidic and rooney are more deserving at united, gerrard and torres more deserving at liverpool, frank lampard who deserves it is not even on the list, id even argue that gallas stellar season deserves this more than giggs also what about hangeland at fulham? or shcwarzer? or jagielka? or cahill? i think this is proof that footballers have the brains of rocking horses the young player list is also rubbish
No one is ever happy with these things. Whether it's voted for by fans, journalists, players or coaches, there's always someone who thinks that it's rigged. Because of that you get statements like this: Really, those are poor choices. That you placed Torre ahead of Alonso is daft, or Gallas ahead of anyone amazes me. There have been 3 or 4 better players for Arsenal this term.
No-one with any credibility could claim that Giggs has had a better individual Premiership season than Gerrard, Alonso, Torres, Kuyt, Benayoun, Rooney, Vidic, C Ronaldo, Robinho, Ireland, Given, Lampard, Anelka, Agbonlahor, Young, Barry, Carew, Hangelaand, Cahill, Fellaini, Jagielka, Van Persie, Adebayor, Davies. All these players have had notable seasons - Giggs has not. His 8 assists in the Prem so far is matched or exceeded by 11 other players. Democracy can throw up strange results - see Germany 1933 for another example where the system throws up surprising results. In no way, shape or form does Giggs deserve this award. It should have gone to Gerrard or failing that Vidic. As it is the result is embarrassing. No Man U fan worth his salt would argue that Giggs has been a better Prem performer for his side than Rooney, Vidic or C Ronaldo. No sane system could deduce that Giggs' 1 goal and 8 assists trumps Gerrard's 13 goals and 7 assists. What next, David James winning it next year?
I have no idea why you are rambling on about Gerrard when he did not even merit his nomination. It is also sad to see another person hung up on numbers.
Dude you are embarrassing yourself by complaining about the nomination of both Torres and Gerrard while championing Giggs. Disappointing to see such a lack of objectivity and judgement. Even the majority of the posters in the Man U forum acknowledge that Giggs should not have been nominated. The reason why you do not like me talking about numbers is because the facts and stats really show how absurd Giggs winning was. Do you think Kalou should have won Player of the Year - he scored a winning goal at West Ham too? The result is clearly a surprise because every single fan (apart from apparently you) who has observed the Prem season would not have voted for Giggs as the best Player of the Season. There were far better candidates for this prize and fair enough, Giggs won it. Well done to him but don't expect those with more than a passing knowledge of this season to claim that he deserved it - he clearly did not. Other players totally eclipsed his play this season, this is indisputable. When the nominations were revealed many expressed surprise that Giggs was even nominated - people were laughing about the absurdity of it. The fact that he ends up winning just makes footballers looke very stupid/the award look a farce. This is even stupider than Cannavaro winning WPOTY. Giggs deserved a BAFTA more than this PFA Player of the Year award.
I am not championing anyone and a simple read of my posts will prove that. I am also on record as saying that Vidic should have won the award. However instead of whining about the situation or posting bitter shite on every single thread I am trying to discuss the awards objectively and particularly in regard to how the shortlist was created in the first place. Go have a read over post 115 instead of wasting my time.
name them, im dieing to know, considering i watch every arsenal game and u dont i think im in a better position to judge our best player this season gallas has made 2 or 3 errors all year and has consistantly been ecellent who has been better? arshavin comes close but hes only been here since jan alonso and torres then are more deserving than giggs who has been given the award for his career rather than yearly performance which this award is supossed to be based on
teso gerrard has had a geat season, u dont think he should be on the list but giggs should? do one hes scored 13 in the league for christs sake and 7 assists as well as being the driving force behind liverpools title challenge
Can't agree on Evra (but do on the others). While he hasn't been sensational, he's certainly been the best left back out there. Johnson probably got the right back vote for similar reasons (although I wouldn't say he's been the best) despite being up and down - he's not even playing right back now. Young and Torres are both questionable for me - Young went off the boil badly after January and Torres had only played 12 league games when the voting closed in mid-March. You can probably say that Torres would justify his selection by the end of the year, but at the time of voting there were more worthy candidates.