The Freddy Adu debate

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by keller#1, Apr 13, 2009.

  1. keller#1

    keller#1 Red Card

    Feb 16, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17448275&postcount=504

    Karl K, I think it's a bit unfair to be questioning his training. We have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. He IS the one we're interested in, not his club manager. O course managers like hard workers. Maybe Adu isn't that, on the field, or in training. But he must be given credit. He was thrust into the spotlight at a yougn age and has at the very least managed to stay out of the papers for the wrong reasons. Now, I'd love to see him in the papers for the RIGHT reasons, but he's a young, talented player. He has the quality to start for the national team. He just isn't ready to be the fighter player that's needed in qualifying. He will get a chance to show Bob that he should be an undropable during the Confed Cup. I just think that's its unfair to criticise a player when we haven't seen him step onto the pitch in a meaningful game in a long time.
     
  2. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Right - new rule. Threads based on conspiracy theories on why a player isn't playing for the USMNT go in USA Men.
     
  3. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think a more likely scenario is that he shows he's an undropable at the Gold Cup.

    The U.S. squad for the Gold CUp is likely to be a "B" team and have a difficult time. Adu (along with a few other players) most likely won't see a lot of time in the Confederations Cup, but could be given a starting spot on the Gold Cup roster. If he can lead that squad against CONCACAF like he lead the U-20's and U-23's then I think Bob will have to rethink how he uses him.
     
  4. withoutthee88

    withoutthee88 Red Card

    Aug 23, 2008
    Chicago/USA
    With Adu, we'll probably never win the World Cup. Without Adu, we'll definitely never win the world cup.
     
  5. judodono

    judodono Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Bay Area, Ca.
    Club:
    --other--
    No, Bob will still refuse to use him. But at least we'll have another wonderful reel of fantastic passes and opponents ankles being broken by an American.
     
  6. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    Bob Bradley refuses to use him? Where you sleeping under a rock during 2008? Adu played in numerous games.
     
  7. Otergod

    Otergod Member+

    Sep 20, 2007
    indianapolis
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    but primetime, b/c BB hasnt used him in any of the hex games, he's clearly ignoring him:rolleyes:
     
  8. judodono

    judodono Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Bay Area, Ca.
    Club:
    --other--
    oh, sorry. used bob's name in vain, didn't know you were reading. mah bad...

    now I'm confused, did I accidentally bump an old thread? why do I care about the minutes he got in 2008?
     
  9. Ghosting

    Ghosting Member+

    Aug 20, 2004
    Pendleton, OR
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because he hasn't produced anything recently in a meaningful game, but Bob still keeps bringing him in.

    ... and yes, this has all been discussed ad nauseam, so it may as well be bumping a new thread. Which begs the question... Why am I posting?

    oh yeah... first page.
     
  10. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007

    That goes quite the contrary to his reports of being a hard worker in trainning by Ricardo and his Benfica managers who played him. Remember when Adu first arrived @ Benfica and his first trainnig session he took the session by storm and was put into the CL Qualifier as a sub the next day?/within the next couple of days?....talk about not trainning hard........


    I think we just have to relize Freddy Adu was not brought to Monaco for playing purposes but rather Marketing puposes. And it was a clear mistake, as it probally back-fired since more Americans probally dislike Monaco then like them now after what happened with Adu. The kid is tough and is keeping his head up and sticking it out. Even when giving his chance with Ricardo a manager who never wanted him in the first place, he has impressed and was singled out by the the Juventes coach Ranieri..... as who is that and is he only that young.......thus showing how the Juventes coach sees more potential in Freddy then Ricardo. So then you would ask yourslef.. so why cant Ricardo just give Freddy some time..their is nothing to lose..........well their becomes the situation of "showing up the coach" this happens many times a year in clubs all around the world. When a coach has a talented player at his disposal and never uses him in favor of other players....and when the said coach plays the talented kid...the kid does so well that he shocks everybody around him......so what does the manager do...he never plays that talented player again.....in fear of being blamed for the crappy season because he refused to use the right players...... this seemed to happen with Adu...as he schocked Juventes with his play..........that was the last time Ricardo played Adu.
     
  11. jfeyerherm

    jfeyerherm New Member

    Sep 19, 2008
    Salina,KS
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Regardless of how much potential Adu has, if he doesn't get on a team where he consistenly gets playing time, it will be tough for him to be on the 18 man roster for South Africa. The whole Monaco thing is frustrating and he needs to get experience in the top Europe leagues to develop. I think Bob Bradley is open to the possibility of playing Adu but he has to prove himself and show he's match fit by getting time for his club team first.
     
  12. Otergod

    Otergod Member+

    Sep 20, 2007
    indianapolis
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    you posted "No, Bob will refuse to use him." ... Primetime merely pointed out that BB used Adu quite a bit in 08.... started 2 WCQing games, played against Spain and Argentina.... while it wasnt BB, he was also used in the Olympics... i think the 19 yr old was used quite a bit in 08, which was primetime's point
     
  13. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Precisely the point.

    In 2008 Adu got 9 Caps with the Senior US team and another 5 Caps with the U23/Olympic team. Combined, he had 14 appearances in a US uniform in 2008, more than any other player in the US system. So, THIS is a player being ignored and forgotten by the US?

    As I wrote several times in the previous thread about Adu, the US coaches are actually biased toward Adu and are giving him preferences that no 19 year-old, 20+ month club reserve player on the planet is getting. The US coaches are going out of their way to include Adu, not exclude him.
     
  14. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007
    While you have a solid point..................why wouldent they if he is one of our best players.
     
  15. neems

    neems Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Apr 14, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FACT.

    He was at Benefica. They are a top club in Europe. He is only 19 years old. This kid needs needs attacking and awareness development from Holland. I mean even Michael Bradley developed an attacking game there and when I first saw him play I could not have imagined it. So what it would do for Freddy, I'm quite optimistic.
     
  16. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If he actually is better than anyone at Monaco, has been training well, has been a model citizen, and his next club decides to start him...let's just say I would hate to be a defender in whatever league he ends up in.
     
  17. Otergod

    Otergod Member+

    Sep 20, 2007
    indianapolis
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    its quite obvious Monaco have zero interest in extending his loan.... Benfica are a toss up, as we have no idea where he stands in the roster... i think most of us agree we'd love to see him go to holland or even a 2nd division somewhere, so long as he gets PT....

    i doubt there are many that have completely given up on him... and im sure we'll see him in at some point during the hex.... depending on his club duties its also possible to see him in both Gold and Confeds....
     
  18. neems

    neems Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Apr 14, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your right, I think we have much more to see from Freddy Adu this summer possibly. We both agree he is not the total package yet, but not being the total package he still gets PT with the National team. Not many players are talented enough to qualify for such an achievement. Frustratingly we can all agree to the same things, but reality does not move fast enough for our enthusiasm.

    I'm not sure the situation could be handled too much differently from the angle of the USMNT. Freddy definetly needs to be more assertive in negotiations about his future, but the only thing about his work ethic that concerns me is that it is Freddy talking about himself most of the time. I might have missed something though, as I am new to most discussion on the board.
     
  19. Namdynamo

    Namdynamo Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
    Any US soccer supporter who have given up on a 19 yo. Adu is a moron (not directed at you at all Otergod). Might as well give up on all other US players besides Altidore. How many American scored 5 goals for a team like Benfica as an 18 yo? How many American have made the bench many times for a team like Monaco as a 19 yo? How many American has more than 10 caps for USMNT as a 19 yo?
     
  20. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007


    I remember Donovan not getting anytime at all at Bayer Leverkusen..let alone scoring some goals at a Champions league club like Adu.......so Donovan came back to MLS.......and lit it up........and after watching Donovan play........and you begin to relize Freddy Adu was scoring even more Impressive goals then Donovan...... and Adu was only 15 and 16 years old doing it, not 19 like Donovan. So it just shows why it would be stupid for any US fan to give up on Adu and say its ok if he is not included in SA 2010, because he ran into a bad situation with his club.
     
  21. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    I don't think anyone is rooting against Adu. He has a unique skill set that can benefit the U.S. but he needs to strengthen other areas of his game to become a more complete player and find more playing time.
     
  22. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007

    I Find this an interesting point that seems to get abused here on BS, in regards to Adu not getting more playing time/starts under Bradley. Were talking about he needs to strengthen certain parts of his game and needs to be more of a complete player............but it dosesnt make sense as Brian Ching is least complete player on our team, and Freddy Adu is the best player in our pool in almost every offensive category. In fact, outside of "holding the ball up well" their is nothing more to Chings game at the National level. So are you making sense............No.
     
  23. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For a target forward, Ching is a fairly complete player. He has the size, strength, fitness, high work rate, is brave, good header of the ball, holds the ball up well, makes decent decisions with the ball to bring his team mates into play and understands when and how to defend. He isn't a very good dribbler of the ball, and isn't very fast but in general, isn't asked to provide those qualities. It would be nice if he had those qualities as Adebayor displayed yesterday holding the ball up for Arsenal.

    It depends on what position Freddy plays for him to be a complete player.
    I believe his strength, fitness and work rate are still suspect along with decision making and understanding when and how to defend. No one will argue the technical qualities that Adu possesses. Just an opinion, I don't know anything for sure.
     
  24. KingAL30

    KingAL30 New Member

    Nov 12, 2007
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ching should not be praised for doing what a Center Forward is supposed to do. He should be scoring goals, which is not the case. 36 caps and 9 goals according to Wiki, and we're playing in CONCACAF where the competition is really not that good.

    No one knows anything when it comes to Freddy, its all speculation.
     
  25. Namdynamo

    Namdynamo Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
    Ching is a fairly complete player? For what level of competition? If he is, why isn't he playing abroad? Why is he not even wanted by any Scandinavian teams?

    If you are talking about international standard, he would be way below standard in almost every catagory. I would take McBride over Ching right now for the national team if McBride un-retire. And McBride didn't even make a difference in any of the US Olympic games nor even was the best player on that team, Adu was.
     

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