Pavel Pardo Poll, Is he done?

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  1. estaticxalde

    estaticxalde Member

    Oct 2, 2006
    Alta Loma
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Just curious as to what the general opinion is. I see people saying that he is done and a few people still asking for him in their line ups.
     
  2. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    if i have learned anything from pardo, it's that the bundesliga isn't what it used to be
     
  3. nopalnation

    nopalnation Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    San Diego CA
    Club:
    CA Monarcas Morelia
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Or, without Pardo we wouldn't have won that game in El Azteca against Honduras and consequentially (or possibly) not made it to the next round. The questions to ask is, can we replace him with a player that is equal or better than him?

    ..
     
  4. estaticxalde

    estaticxalde Member

    Oct 2, 2006
    Alta Loma
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Every dog has his day. The first goal was nice but the second goal was more result of honduras facking up than his skill.


    If you put this dude in he will eventually score too.[​IMG]
     
  5. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    if we want to speculate, i think if we had not had pardo that game, it wouldn't have come down to one super shot. we would have played better in the midfield, generated actual scoring opportunities and also prevented suazo from having his way with us


    while torrado and correa played midfield


    mexico - brazil 2-0
    mexico - ecuador 2-1
    mexico - chile 0-0
    mexico paraguay 6-0

    no reason to believe they wouldn't have done the same to freaking honduras
     
  6. estaticxalde

    estaticxalde Member

    Oct 2, 2006
    Alta Loma
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    People argue with me that aguirre will call him up but i completely disagree. I think Aguiire will do the same thing he did in 2001. Keep a base of the same players but change a lot of the straglers.

    this article give me hope for this

    He made sweeping changes as he announced his first squad one day after taking over, naming six uncapped players and recalling veteran midfielder Alberto Garica Aspe.

    Meanwhile, eccentric goalkeeper Jorge Campos and striker Luis Hernandez were ruthlessly dropped along with defenders Pavel Pardo and Duilio Davino, midfielder German Villa and striker Antonio de Nigris

    He also demanded total commitment from his players, something which Mexican critics said had been missing under his predecessor Meza.

    'I told the players face to face that if they don't feel fully committed, they take can their things and leave,' he said. 'Nobody wanted to go.'
     
  7. Hecho en Chivas

    Hecho en Chivas Member+

    Apr 22, 2004
    Chulajuana
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    aside from dead ball opportunities, Pardo is DONE

    Torrado, Correa, Pineda, Zamora, and even Arguello can take his place

    they are younger and have more to offer to the team
     
  8. Tello

    Tello BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 20, 2006
    New York
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    This always made me think about how Jose Francisco Torres would be perfect to fill Pardo's spot. Or atleast start getting his feet wet with the National team at D-mid.

    Kinda Funny how Edgar Castillo picked Mexico where he has Salcido and Pinto in front of him. I don't see Salcido leaving Mexico's LB spot till after the 2014 world Cup. The U.S. however cannot even define their starting Leftback. Edgar Castillo would be perfect for them.

    Now for us, Torres would be logical in this spot. A Young D-mid with alot of ''Salida'' like Pardo. But no, he chooses the U.S. where he has the Coach's son, Rico Clark, Mastroeni and Fielhaber and front of him.

    I guess both players made their decisions based on what shirt they loved most because it obviously wasn't well planed out to better their footballing careers.

    And yes Pardo is done. I just don't see a long-term replacement for him. The only young d-mid i can think of that has high expectations of him is ''Pato'' and i just don't see it in him. For the immediate future we have plenty of choices in Torrado,Leandro,Pineda,Correa ect.
     
  9. Carcacha

    Carcacha Member+

    Apr 12, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    excellent analysis.

    I knew Pardo was done after he got pwned by bradley and the szetala guy vs USA
     
  10. Rafa9

    Rafa9 New Member

    Dec 11, 2005
    Arizona
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Pardo is done as well as Torrado. He commits too many stupid fouls. I guess Leandro and Correa would do better. Whatever happened to Jimmy Lozano and Gonzalo Pineda. If Alan Zamora steps up his play, why not call him up as well.
     
  11. CyberAce100

    CyberAce100 Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I think Torrado still has a few solid years left, but Pardo is definitely done. IMO Leandro sucks, he shouldn't get call ups anymore, but I mosco Zamora being the future contencion. I hope he and Correa step up their game in a hurry.
     
  12. ЯR

    ЯR New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Morocco
    The deal with Pavel is the effort. He's at a position where if he doesnt do what he's supposed to, it shows.

    If Zamora was getting minutes regularly, he would be ready for a shot. He doesnt because Brindisi didn't choose him, he'll be transfered after this Classura, dont worry

    The celebration against CR was horrible, its like they spent more time practicing that, then anything.
     
  13. Vasquez

    Vasquez New Member

    Apr 11, 2007
    OrangeCounty,CA
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico

    Yeah the US have expossed pardo a couple of times in recent years. Pardo is class but he is just SLOW. Bradley, Rico Clark and the mid from ChivasUSA all covered more ground than him and controlled the midfield.

    I like how Zamora was playing with Atlante, hes done pretty good with Jaguares when hes played.

    Also, when Hugo had El Tri playing good during Copa America he (pardo) wasnt on the field.
     
  14. inflames

    inflames New Member

    Sep 13, 2007
    Pardo is done, only way he would be called up is if FIFA institues a designated kicker role and could come off the bench only for free kicks
     
  15. monch84

    monch84 New Member

    Mar 14, 2007
    Pardo has slowed down but torrado is terrible (why people keep on insisting on him i don't understand), correra has completely fallen of the map since the copa america in 2007 and leandro is pretty average. So i have no idea who you would replace Pardo with other than moving marquez up to centre defensive mid which would be the best option but is unlikely.
     
  16. estaticxalde

    estaticxalde Member

    Oct 2, 2006
    Alta Loma
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico

    Marquez will always be the best option however torrado isn't terrible. Theres an old saying an old coach used to tell our cdm, If you're not getting a yellow card every game than you aren't doing things right. And its true The position Requires agressiveness and Pardo has none, he is good from a dead ball and sometimes has a good shot. otherwise he has always shown he is useless.
     
  17. monch84

    monch84 New Member

    Mar 14, 2007
    I don't mind the fact that torrado gets yellow cards its the fact that he can't complete a pass to save his life. Plus everyone talks about how slow Pardo is and i'm not sure torrado is any faster.
     
  18. estaticxalde

    estaticxalde Member

    Oct 2, 2006
    Alta Loma
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Its not so much Pardos lack of speed that kills him. He is usually out of position so when the player he is supposed to be marking gets the ball he has to sprint...but cant. Correa or Torrado are usually good at staying in a competetive position. Correa being better in my books.
     
  19. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    the times i have seen pachuca play this season, correa has looked solid. he has by no means fallen off the map.
     
  20. Necaxista

    Necaxista New Member

    Oct 23, 2004
    Cuernavaca
    Club:
    Club Necaxa
    Nat'l Team:
    Namibia
    I think he's done honestly. It's just that there's no natural substitute for him.
    Torrado, Zamora, Correa, Leandro are just average players, who shouldn't be taken into consideration. They are solid players in their respective teams, but none of them stand out at all, not to mention most of them are completely useless at going forward.

    There are a couple of young midfielders like Noriega and Robles, but I don't think they will be given a chance, so we are gonna end up with Pardo starting in the World Cup even if its a hindrance to the team.
     
  21. Mexcellence

    Mexcellence Member+

    Oct 12, 2007
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Aguirre is not stupid, he knows Pardo needs to be subbed.
    The NT is made to represent the best Mexicans we can get. Torrado, Zamora, Correa, Pacheco, Araujo, are all better options.

    It's interesting how much better Mexico played in Copa America without Salcido and Pardo.
     
  22. Puma76

    Puma76 Member

    Aug 30, 2007
    Oakland Ca.
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Correa passes better than Torrado, but he has no offense...
    Im ok with that.
    Correa will stay in place instead of running up and leaving the mid and D.
    I say he's a good enough defensive mid, which is what we need right now.
     
  23. ЯR

    ЯR New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Morocco
    When Torrado wants to play, he's a 10
     
  24. estaticxalde

    estaticxalde Member

    Oct 2, 2006
    Alta Loma
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Can I hear from 1 of the 7 people who said he is essential?
     
  25. becauseigothigh

    becauseigothigh New Member

    Jun 29, 2006
    I think his poll might still be working at least for a few more years, but he'll probably need viagra soon if he doesn't need it already.
     

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