Revs News, 4/7

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  1. The Magpie

    The Magpie Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Cambridge, MA
  2. Mattymags811

    Mattymags811 Member

    Aug 18, 2006
    Attleboro, MA
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  3. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
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    Week 3 marked by hats, cards, surprises
    By Steve Davis / Special to MLSnet.com

    Why I voted Ralston for MOTM:
     
  4. The Magpie

    The Magpie Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Cambridge, MA
    Third, it freed up Shalrie to get back to his usual d-mid role.
     
  5. jokeefe80

    jokeefe80 Red Card

    Oct 31, 2005
    Boston, Ma
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    he simply provided a link between midfield and attackers, which the team did not have in the previous 225 minutes this season. i think the 4-4-2 experiment is over for quite some time, because we don't have strikers suited to play it.
     
  6. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    To put a fine point on it, the Revs don't have the strikers to play a box 4-4-2. A diamond 4-4-2 the strikers could play, but then you're dropping a defensive mid (which isn't going to happen any time soon on this squad).

    The double pivot makes the 5-man midfield a necessity, at least in terms of possession. Also, given the destroyer nature of these two d-mids, 3-5-2 makes more sense than 4-5-1.
     
  7. jokeefe80

    jokeefe80 Red Card

    Oct 31, 2005
    Boston, Ma
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    and i dont think either JL nor SJ are true destroyers. they are too attack minded, and would be taking away some of their true value by sitting them back in the diamond. I also think Ralston is too slow at this point to hand the diamond defensively.

    yeah, especially considering we don't have a single health ystriker whoi can hold the ball up. maybe when twellman returns the 4-5-1 would work, but now it would just result in lost possession, reuslting in a similar problem as the 4-4-2
     
  8. soccertim

    soccertim Member

    Mar 29, 2001
    Mass
    I thought Ginger really came on late in the game, back in his role from last year.
     
  9. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Good point on Ralston.

    My favorite destroyers tend to have some offensive flair - Redondo is my poster boy. I always preferred Vieira to Makelele. I like destroyers who can hold the line inside enemy territory.

    We're on the same page. That extra attacker creates a lot more space and passing options.

    Plus, I generally loathe the 4-5-1. Even great teams can grind to a halt with it. Too often they run out of attacking ideas.
     
  10. jokeefe80

    jokeefe80 Red Card

    Oct 31, 2005
    Boston, Ma
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll take the pure destroyer in the Maka' mold, as long as the 5 players in front of him are creative and ambitious, and as long as the team plays a progressive style. I think then a true destroyer like Dunga allows a team to be even more attack minded. But that is all dependent on supporting cast, and coaching philosophy.



    I like the 4-5-1 in cup/tournament football. that is when i prefer one-off results to attractive football. I have no problem with the Revs shutting up shop come the one-off tournament in October-November, because a nailbitting 1-nil result is pretty much what I expect. However, when they are playing Kansas City in July, I want to see some football with ambition, a real killer instinct.
     
  11. RSwenson

    RSwenson Member

    Feb 1, 2000
    If we are going to play a 4-4-2, the midfielders have to pinch in to help dominate the center of midfield and the extra man going forward has to be one of the outside backs... the only back that we have that can fill this role is Alston... if we had someone at the left back who could really fly and occupy the full attention of the opposition's right, the 4-4-2 would work.... but we didn't even have Alston, and without him I don't think we even come close to having the personnel at the back to pull it off (and I agree that the people up top aren't particularly well suited for it either)...
     
  12. RSwenson

    RSwenson Member

    Feb 1, 2000
    One of the problems with the 3-5-2 is that it rarely works in international football... teams with good flank attacks can exploit this formation and you are really dependent on stopping attacks before they get started. a missed tackle in the middle of the park can spell disaster against a good team... every team that has pretensions of playing international tournaments has to have the horses and the knowledge to be able to play a 4 back when necessary... and it is not simply a matter of putting bodies behind the ball, but being able to attack from this formation (or you are going to spend the entire day with your back up against your own goal line).
     
  13. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    That's one of the reasons why the box doesn't work. If you have your wings pinch in, it destroys your width.

    If you play the diamond, you don't have that gaping hole between the midfield line and the opposing box.

    Just my opinion, but I'd say the larger reason for that is coaches cede control over the game when they put bodies into the offense. A highly organized game with a four-man back and a midfield obsessed with keeping its defensive shape is a coach's game. When you team wins 1-0, the coach is a genius. When your team wins 3-2, the players are geniuses.

    Coaches, understandably, are more interested in the former.
     
  14. bwidell

    bwidell Member+

    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Woah, I could have sworn the Revs were a club team!
     
  15. jwoo

    jwoo Member

    Jul 30, 2008
    West Newton, MA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but the word on the Tweet (kylejmccarthy & madisonroad) is that Argenis Fernandez is gone to make room for Osei.
     
  16. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
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    Pretty much what everyone expected. The big question is whether he's gone via loan or if he's been released.
     
  17. Alan

    Alan Titanium Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    Massachusetts
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    Wagering odds 4-5
     
  18. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    I'd like to think he was being loaned out. Otherwise, they paid a transfer fee for a guy that played ... what ... 7 minutes?
     
  19. jokeefe80

    jokeefe80 Red Card

    Oct 31, 2005
    Boston, Ma
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    yeah a club team that plays in international competitions. you are thinking too narrowly about his meaning.
     
  20. ZZZenga

    ZZZenga Member

    Aug 10, 2006
    CT
    How much they "play" in international competitions is debatable
     
  21. jokeefe80

    jokeefe80 Red Card

    Oct 31, 2005
    Boston, Ma
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it has less to do with public perception following a game, and more to do with the conservative nature of getting a singular result. Rightly or wrongly, coaches/managers will always be a bit more conservative in a one-off match. I think if history has shown anything, like in all sports, it is balance which wins in tournaments, not conservation or progression. Sure a more disciplined and organized side will almost always prevail, but balance should be the goal.
     
  22. bwidell

    bwidell Member+

    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Revolution waive Argenis Fernandez, will use international roster spot for Emmanuel Osei when he arrives. Stephane Assengue now in training."
    http://twitter.com/madisonroad/status/1471373284
    "In a totally expected move, New England waives Argenis Fernandez. Can't say the Costa Rican made much of an impact."
    http://twitter.com/kylejmccarthy/status/1471389839
     
  23. jokeefe80

    jokeefe80 Red Card

    Oct 31, 2005
    Boston, Ma
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    i'm just pointing out what swenson was talking about, and why he suggests that more clubs don't play it. his meaning of international had just as much to do wit hthe club game as it did with national teams.
     
  24. jokeefe80

    jokeefe80 Red Card

    Oct 31, 2005
    Boston, Ma
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    i would rather they tried and failed, than never tried at all
     
  25. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is true. I just would really like to see them succeed with one of these sometime soon.
     

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