Virginia, Carolinas, Georgia, the SE and Nascar

Discussion in 'MLS: Expansion' started by worldcup76, Mar 25, 2009.

  1. worldcup76

    worldcup76 Member

    Sep 11, 2000
    Hartford, CT
    The Southeastern part of the country doesn't even place college soccer. AKA the SEC doesn't even have a men's soccer league. Why does everybody think the southeast is a great area to expand. Last time I checked two franshises in the southeast already folded and Atlanta has proven already through other sports not to be the greatest sports town around.
     
  2. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    Ever heard of the ACC? Ever heard of UNC, Clemson, NC State, Duke, U. of South Carolina (SEC, I believe)? Alabama A&M? Emory? Oglethorpe? Berry? Shorter? Southern Poly? Georgia College? Georgia State? Georgia Southern? Clayton State? Mercer? UAB? Elon? College of Charleston? Lindsey Wilson? Nah, no college soccer in the Southeast. :rolleyes:.

    Newflash: The SEC isn't the only game in town down here.

    And which franchise, besides Atlanta (who, technically, is "sitting out" the '09 season) has folded, pray tell ?

    And lastly, what does other sports' attendance have to do with potential MLS attendance? Oh, that's right, NOTHING.

    Thanks for playing. Come back when you have a clue.
     
  3. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    But he was talking Southeast, and VB and CA are not. Only Atlanta is out of the picture in the SE. Charleston, Miami and Carolina are all still there. And who knows, the Silverbacks might come back. I'm not holding my breath, but they might.
     
  4. Gioca

    Gioca Member

    Jun 13, 2004
    Hartford
    Club:
    US Città di Palermo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    Virginia Beach is not in the southeast? That's interesting.
     
  5. Redknapp11

    Redknapp11 New Member

    Jan 1, 2001
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    Didn't know the argument pertained to the SE only. Victory, obviously are not in the SE but the Mariners are surely in the SE.


    1-- South of the Mason/Dixon... check

    2-- Borders the Atlantic Ocean... check

    3-- Virginia has a minimum of 3 Nascar tracks... check

    ... sounds like the South East to me.
     
  6. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    Nope.

    Virginia, while in the South, is not considered to be one of the states in the Southeast; it's more of an Atlantic Coast state, hence it's membership in the ACC (although geography means nothing as far as football conferences goes anymore). The southeast includes Tennesee, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, North & South Carolina. Mississippi is more of a Gulf Coast State, as is Louisiana. Kentucky is borderline.

    As for the NASCAR remark, isn't there a NASCAR track in both Delaware AND New Hampshire? :rolleyes:

    But do keep up those stereotypes, folks; they're funny. Really.
     
  7. City Dave

    City Dave Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    Oddly enough, he's wrong, there's only two tracks currently in use by NASCAR in Virginia. The only state with three is Tennessee. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASCAR_race_tracks#NASCAR_national_series_race_tracks

    Also, many, if not most, definitions of the Southeast do include Virginia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_United_States

    Besides, this discussion started based on Virginia Beach, which is about as far south as you can get in Virginia, right on the border with the Carolinas.
     
  8. Gioca

    Gioca Member

    Jun 13, 2004
    Hartford
    Club:
    US Città di Palermo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    What? Virginia certainly IS considered to be in the southeast, and even NASCAR would admit that they are most popular in the southeast, where it was started and based in for years before expanding. Neither is really a debatable issue.
     
  9. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    Okay, fair enough. :)
     
  10. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    Okay, we've established that Virginia is indeed in the SE; fair enough. But what does NASCAR have to do with anything? Like I said, there are NASCAR tracks in Delaware and New Hampshire as well. Are NASCAR fans not allowed to be soccer fans or something? Or was that just another cutesy attempt at propagating the same tired old stereotype?
     
  11. Redknapp11

    Redknapp11 New Member

    Jan 1, 2001
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    My point with Nascar was very simple... Virginia contains three tracks. Having one track doesn't define you as southern but having three tracks south of the Mason/Dixon go's a long way in helping to support my theory... a theory that included the aspect of Nascar not being soley based on it.

    Martinsville, Richmond & South Boston.... SB isn't top tier but it's one of the main tracks for the up and coming drivers and lower circuts.
     
  12. City Dave

    City Dave Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    How about just being south of the Mason/Dixon line without the tracks? That pretty much nails it, too. I don't think anyone would argue that Pennsylvania is in the south, now would they?

    Because if having one track and being south of the Mason-Dixon doesn't define you as southern then Georgia and West Virginia aren't southern. I'm not all current on what you're using to qualify as a NASCAR track, but Kentucky and SC may be questionable as having more than one as well. Heck, Arkansas and Mississippi don't have any.

    Since south is a geographic term should the means of determining what the South is be geographic, and not NASCAR centered?

    Why don't you just admit that your poor attempt at a joke or connection between NASCAR tracks and being in the South has failed? I bet there's more correlation between NASCAR tracks and state size or population than geographic location.
     
  13. Redknapp11

    Redknapp11 New Member

    Jan 1, 2001
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?


    Seriously.... how hard is it to follow a conversation on this site ?

    Click the previous page button, look for my handle, take a deep breath, proceed to read the post, re-read it and then comprehend the message. Nascar was NOT the sole basis of my point, just a mere fact amongst other facts that added to prove my point or in the very least to hold up my argument.
     
  14. Alabama Soccer

    May 28, 2008
    Montgomery, AL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This kind of thread continuously keeps coming up. Someone from the North starts saying the south sucks then all the southerners who actually know how the south works and how much people actually do play soccer here get all offended and push back.

    This part is for people in the North that don't know why the SEC doesn't have men's soccer. IT'S CALLED TITLE IX LOOK INTO IT. I graduated from the University of Alabama and while Alabama does not have an official men's soccer team they do have a club team. The guys on the club team have to pay to play for the club. That's how much we love soccer. The club team plays in the club SEC league. By the way, The University of Alabama has a women's soccer team with a huge soccer stadium. Since no one cares about women's soccer the stadium is useless and would be better suited for a men's soccer team.

    This part is for the gentlemen from the south. Ignore these stupid northerners. We don't need validation from them. Instead band together and create the fan base neccessary to convince MLS that the south is a great place for soccer. I know we have a soccer culture here we just need to translate that into a fan base.
     
  15. Misanthrope

    Misanthrope New Member

    May 13, 2007
    Anniston, Al
    True story: Illinois and Pennsylvania have as the same number of NASCAR tracks as Georgia and Alabama.
     
  16. City Dave

    City Dave Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    LOL, we got our own thread! Awesome. Vroom vroom!

    Yeah, I read it, and I responded to it. It was one of three criteria, and an unnecessary criterion at that for the reasons that I mentioned in the post you're quoting. And you're accusing me of being the one who's not reading and comprehending things.

    Fine, I'll go back and reread your post yet again. By your definition the following are southeast states: Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, and Alabama. The following are not solely because of your minimum of 3 NASCAR tracks rule: Georgia, Maryland, South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas. Now, try to tell me seriously that you think that your criteria are valid.

    PS - Alabama Soccer, I'm one of the damn Yankees and I'm on your side. Also, I think Mr. Redknapp11 resides in Florida. Regardless, I think I'll take your advice and ignore him.
     
  17. Alabama Soccer

    May 28, 2008
    Montgomery, AL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

     
  18. Alabama Soccer

    May 28, 2008
    Montgomery, AL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    By the way, I love the south and I HATE NASCAR!!!
     
  19. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    Re: Hartford Expansion Possibility?

    When he said "stupid Northerner," he wasn't talking about you. :) Besides, isn't Cleveland considered Midwest?
     
  20. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    I can watch it, but I'm not a big (or even a little) fan.
     
  21. Redknapp11

    Redknapp11 New Member

    Jan 1, 2001
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    My statement was based towards to the poster who mentioned that Virginia wasn't considered the south.

    Let me know where I had anything negative to say about the south and I'll come up with an apology. Otherwise go scratch.

    Next.
     
  22. HSEUPASSION

    HSEUPASSION New Member

    Apr 16, 2005
    Duck, NC
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_South_Conference
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Conference

    Franchises has a c.

    Someone remind me what the first state with a privately funded soccer-specific stadium was...

    Oh, it was South Carolina.

    Two Southern professional teams (Carolina and Charleston) make a profit, by the way. RBNY loses boatloads by the WEEK.

    Truth: New York and New Hampshire have as many NASCAR tracks as North Carolina (1 - NH: New Hampshire Motor Speedway, NY - Watkins Glen, NC - Charlotte).

    North Carolina has more "oval shaped race tracks", yes. But you know what else? It also has more soccer stadiums than any "Northern" state.

    Oh, and per capita, even that bastion of cosmopolitan culture South Carolina has more.

    Maybe soccer should stay away from the north because of the public money being spent on baseball stadiums (somewhere above $1bln)?
     
  23. DenzilTFF

    DenzilTFF New Member

    Mar 7, 2009
    Raleigh, NC
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    As a resident of New York State who will get zero benefit from said stadia, don't remind me :(
     
  24. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really? Is this debate still going on? how ignorant some yankees are...

    Well Gee Golly, Billy weez be gettsin wum dem dang gum inDOOOR fansy toletits soom wunce my sisser Sara-jo stop breff feedsin my babay.

    Sorry folks...the south cannot support soccer because of NASCAR, rednecks, hicks, college football, braves and thrashers lack of support, etc... is not a legit argument.
     
  25. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And what is considered to normally be the "True Southern States" are: Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee.

    Outside of that Florida (mostly just northern FL), Virginia (outside of DC), Louisiania, Texas (excluding west TX), Arkansas, southern Missouri, and some of Kentucky can be included as "southern."
     

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