COPA LIBERTADORES 2009-grp stage (r)

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by Mengão86, Feb 4, 2009.

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  1. BorrachoNJ

    BorrachoNJ New Member

    Apr 8, 2001
    NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ
    Cachito Ramirez is the man.:D
     
  2. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Just as I give props to Chilean teams, la U get crushed by Chicó. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Boca has been an odd team these last 2 editions. They lose to of all teams, Fluminense last year and now they are losing to Guarani, thanks to a goal from the worst striker I have ever seen, Negreiros.

    Boca fans, what the hell is going on?
     
  4. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I guess they want to do it the hard way.
     
  5. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    This was what I was expecting, minus the Negreiros goal.
     
  6. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Good away win for SPFC against our toughest opponent in the group. :)
     
  7. FARFAN 17

    FARFAN 17 Member

    Jan 29, 2005
    Back in NJ :(
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
  8. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    bien punto de visita de la U, si no pasa a segunda ronda ahora....
     
  9. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Hmm I wonder if Libertad can leave the group stages with a perfect record and get all 18 points, cant remmember the last time a team did that. Doubt they will tho since they qualified already and probably will use reserves for the remaining games and concentrate on the league.
     
  10. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Screw Fox Sports Espanhol for not showing Defensor Sporting vs. São Paulo. But I'm glad the Argentine commentator stated that São Paulo had defeated Defensor towards the end of the Guarani vs. Boca Juniores match.

    São Paulo hosts the Uruguayans at Morumbi in 2 weeks' time, and I imagine they will bring all the dirty tricks (as well as skill) of the traditional Uruguayan game. São Paulo will be ready.
     
  11. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Did you not try watching it by other means? I was watching it on Globo (from Brazil, of course since GI can't show it).

    Defensor really surprised me. Based on what the two teams played, Defensor deserved a draw. But, Defensor has a young team and SPFC has an experienced team in the Libertadores, so that is what proved their undoing. SPFC was under a fair amount of pressure at the end. It shouldn't be a cakewalk at Morumbi if they play like they did last night. It was funny that SPFC used some of that famous Uruguayan catimba on them. Serves them right after what they did in 2007 along with Hector Baldassi...:D
     
  12. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Libertad seems to established themselves as a serious title contender IMO. They are clearly superior to their Paraguayan counterparts. Are they dominating league play?
     
  13. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Defensor Sporting is tied w/ DIM for 2nd, but DIM has played one game more than the Uruguayans. Which leads me to conclude Sporting will go on the attack against São Paulo, which will help my team as it plays at home to defend its top position in the group.

    As for catimba, well, I for one believe that teams from Uruguay and Argentina built up a lead in past decades over us in this tournament partly because of catimba. We learned it too - and we're not exactly inferior to the platinos when it comes to soccer skills. ;)

    Moreover, there is no soccer tourney on Earth that requires catimba more than the Libertadores. Bring it, Defensor Sporting.
     
  14. Mosco

    Mosco Member+

    Dec 1, 2004
    Sun Valley, CA
    I guess I'll watch that game today their gonna show it at 11:00am on Fox espanol to see how good this game was
     
  15. Arthur V

    Arthur V Member

    Dec 29, 2008
    Brasilia, BRASIL
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Que alegria é ver o São Paulo jogar.:)

    São Paulo wasn't very well at the begining, but after a while they started to get better. Borges is a great stryker. Renato Silva is doing really well. I wasn't expecting too much. We're leading the group and we have 2 games to play in Morumbi yet. Things are going really well.

    Cruzeiro won too. They're doing great.
     
  16. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Of course they will. Sao Paulo may be Brazilian, but they play like your stereotypical Uruguayan team.
     
  17. Dan-ny-m398

    Dan-ny-m398 Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    Long Island NY
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    Paraguay

    Libertad is a very good team and it has been for a while, they had a really bad showing at the libertadores last year, but the years before they were pretty good, They are not dominating league play at the moment I think they are in 7th or 8th place. They just look so much better than Guarani and Nacional two teams that are really struggling , 1 because after having a decent season last year(Nacional) and qualifying to the libertadores, sold all their good players and now they suck , the other one Guarani, had an internal fight because of 1 player and lost 5 starters, they were much better teams last year when they qualified but now they are just embarrassing themselves and the Paraguayan league.
     
  18. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Define "stereotypical Uruguayan team."
     
  19. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    If I had to guess, ultra defensive and "catimbeiros". I disagree that SPFC are like that though.
     
  20. FARFAN 17

    FARFAN 17 Member

    Jan 29, 2005
    Back in NJ :(
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    You think Uruguay has a stereotypically defensive game ?
     
  21. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The stereotypical Uruguayan teams of old won because they had talent, but they also relied to a large extent on strong physical play, intimidation, and gamesmanship.
     
  22. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Odd. I think this version of SPFC has a lot of talent, but they don't seek to openly intimidate their opponents - rather, this SPFC relies more on their skill and a blend of gritty play and composure.

    Since we're on the subject, what's the difference between a "stereotypical Uruguayan team of old" and a "stereotypical Argentine team of old?" And how do either differ from their current versions? (no sarcasm)
     
  23. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I think watching Sao Paulo they do intimidate and play strong physical football. Also they do waste time and do the little things that well, to be honest, may have started in Uruguay but are now a trademark of all South American futbol. Sao Paulo is good at it.

    They are also very talented, but I think not as flashy as the stereotypical Brazilians.

    I think going back to the thirties, Argentines played the more beautiful football and Uruguayans often beat us by intimidating us and kicking our ass. (So the stories tell, going back to the first World Cup.) But they were good too, you can't take that away from them.

    I know some Argentine clubs also were known to play like that. But even in Argentina, teams like Estudiantes that were notorious for those characteristics were said to play 'like Uruguayans'.

    As far as their current versions, I think it's obvious that Uruguayan clubs are not as talented as they used to be, to a large extent for economic reasons. Top Argentine clubs still have talent, although this year is not looking good in La Copa so far.

    But the good Argentine clubs still play with lots of flair. Sometimes they overdo it.

    I think one thing Argentine players have in common with Brazilian players is that they tend to like to embarrass their opponents with the trick play, the dribble, the nutmeg, the spectacular goal, and that is all good. I enjoy it as a fan. But sometimes that can get in the way of winning.
     
  24. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Physical yes - you need to play physical in the Libertadores.

    As for flashy/talented, it's what I told you when I sent you that PM reviewing Brazil's teams for this tournament. SPFC and Gremio don't exactly play flashy soccer; Gremio more historically.

    So Uruguay influenced the Argentine style of play...

    As for 2009, well, it's a bit surprising. Lanus is pretty much out, Sao Lourenco is bordering on elimination, and Estudantes da Prata isn't going to cause major problems to anybody in the later rounds if they keep playing the way they have (they must win tonight, or else). Rio da Prata has a date with... the Uruguayans of Nacional tonight, and your team is consistent.

    I won't be shocked if only Boca and CARP make it to the round of 16.
     
  25. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I don't know. Keep in mind that San Lorenzo and Estudiantes are in similar situations. They both still have to play a game at home against the clubs that are two points ahead of them in their groups. (Universitario and Dep Quito).

    So, they both still have a good chance of advancing.

    I agree that the way Estudiantes is playing they won't be a threat to go deep. They depend too much on Veron, who's not been a hundred percent, and the forwards are having trouble scoring.

    San Lorenzo has been struggling with injuries but if they get healthy they could be dangerous.

    River should advance from their group, although with the gayinas you never know. :D
     

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