who is the best England striker ever

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  1. Diego Maradona

    Diego Maradona Member+

    Apr 8, 2007
    London, England
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I dont know who to say between Lineker and Greaves

    both have good ratio and played in different ERA's and scored against good countries, Charlton was obviously good as well but no IMO as the above 2

    It is said that Lofthouse retired so early but that is the way life is I guess, hell look at Van Batsen
     
  2. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I guess if by striker you mean pure goalscorer, I would say Lineker. He was primarily a poucher. Nothing wrong with that of course, being a great poucher helps win games, plus it takes great skill, instinct and understanding of the game.

    Still, if we're talking best all-around player who happened to be a striker, not necesarily just scoring goals, I like Kevin Keegan. I tend to be partial to more complete players, and Keegan had a much more complete overall game. But maybe in terms of definition he fits more into 'forward' than 'striker'.

    But probably we should hear from the English fans. I'm sure there are some old timers who might be considered better. Some legendary player from the old days, like maybe Dixie Dean.
     
  3. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Just going by the numbers then you have to go with Greaves. He's the all time leading scorer in the English top flight and has 44 goals in 57 games.

    Tommy Lawton is often rated as the best by those who saw him (including Tom Finney and Joe Mercer), but his England career was over at 28 (having already lost 6 years to WWII) when he dropped down to the Third Division South.
     
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  4. YooAhJin

    YooAhJin Member

    Aug 30, 2008
    If you mean best English striker then i would say Dean, if best that played for the national team then probably Greaves.
     
  5. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Far from being over, Lawton was perhaps in one of his best spells for England. From May 47, when still at Chelsea (setting a club goal-scoring record) to his last game for England in September '49, he scored in 6 of the 8 England games he played in, scoring 10 goals.

    It's been suggested that he dropped to Notts County because they were able to pay him extra indirect payments, getting round the wage-cap of the era. Although he'd done nothing illegal, I'm sure the FA would have taken a rather dim view of it.


    As for the question, I too would go for Greaves. If he hadn't become an alcoholic when at the peak of his career, I don't think anyone would have even needed to ask the question.
     
  6. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Two big ones not mentioned are Viv Woodward and Steve Bloomer. Both were massively prolific in the pre-WW1 era.

    Also Nuts Cobbald, G.O. Smith and Tinsley Lindley but all three were more like forwards than strikers.

    Personal choice would be Greaves.
     
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  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    It was the move that spelled the end of his England career. He won his last cap just after dropping down to Notts County.
    I don't think anyone would doubt he could have carried on for at least another 4 or 5 years with the national side.

    I'm sure I read somewhere that he trained as a physio at Notts County and was paid extra for that.
     
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  8. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Woodward had a phenomonal record for both England and England Amateurs, but his domestic record was quite poor in comparison (less than 1 in 2).
     
  9. Leeds92

    Leeds92 New Member

    Jun 19, 2008
    Australia
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Depends on the point of the thread I suppose. As you say at international level he had a record of about 1.3 goals per game.

    Are we talking best England international striker or English striker at club level??

    At club level without doubt I would pick Shearer even though I couldnt stand him.
     
  10. thepowerofsoccer

    thepowerofsoccer New Member

    Mar 3, 2009
    Club:
    Middlesbrough FC
    Shearer....the best in the most recent era.
     
  11. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    I'd say Jimmy Greaves over Kevin Keegan or Gary Lineker.
     
  12. aguimarães

    aguimarães Member

    Apr 19, 2006
    Club:
    LD Alajuelense
    Don´t know about pure strikers, but Stanley Matthews for best all-around attacker.
     
  13. Big Soccer Member

    Jan 16, 2008
    Surrey, England
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Should have been Owen, but remains Greaves.
     
  14. Tony Dellbird

    Tony Dellbird English and Proud

    Mar 26, 2004
    Jolly Ol' England
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Damn right! :p
     
  15. The Double

    The Double Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 11, 2002
    Denver
    ................is watching.
     
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  16. Seaside Mafia

    Seaside Mafia New Member

    May 29, 2005
    London
    Being a Blackpool fan I really should agree with you. However, my understanding from fellow older Pool fans whose views I respect is that Tom Finney was general recognised to be a more versatile and all-round forward than Stan. Backed up to an extent by the fact that Finney scored 30-odd goals for England whereas Stan scored around 10.

    My personal favourite would be Alan Shearer around the time of his Blackburn days. I never saw Jimmy Greaves play. Lineker was a swift opportunistic player who scored the same type of goals regularly. In his pomp Shearer was scoring from everywhere. Unfortunately, for me his injuries meant that he didn't really realise his potential at international level.
     
  17. schafer

    schafer Member+

    Mar 12, 2004
    It's weird to think that Shearer only featured in one World Cup in an 18 year professional career. While Beckham could conceivably play in 4 by the time he retires.
     
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  18. aguimarães

    aguimarães Member

    Apr 19, 2006
    Club:
    LD Alajuelense
    Don´t know enough about Finney, but a large part of SM´s career was during World War II, and pre-war (when British teams played very few international matches.) One of the best dribblers of all time (long before the Garrinchas, Libuda, etc.)
     
  19. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Finney also lost a sizeable chunk of his career to WWII - he was 24 before he made his professional debut.

    Everything I've seen and heard would indicate Finney to be a better all-round player than Matthews. Matthews was a phenomonal right winger - certainly one of the best ever, but Finney played all five forward positions over his career and excelled on both flanks and centrally. He was also completely at ease using either foot whereas Matthews was almost all right foot.
     
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  20. DenzilTFF

    DenzilTFF New Member

    Mar 7, 2009
    Raleigh, NC
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I don't think Keegan registers on this radar.

    I'm too young to have seen Greaves (apart from on Saint & Greavsie), so in my mind it's a tie between Lineker and Shearer - the Shearer before all the knee surgeries anyway.
     
  21. england2012

    england2012 New Member

    Mar 17, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Michael owen. Had injuries not stopped his selection coupled with a manager who does not like him, then i truly beleive he would have gone on to break Sir Bobby's record. Also he has scored major goals in major matches for england - 5 -1 over germany, 3 goals against argentina as well as getting penalties against them, goal against Brazil, Portagul, i also beleive had he been fit in 2006 he would have gone on too score in that tournament at some point.
     
  22. Lisa11

    Lisa11 New Member

    Dec 24, 2008
    Club:
    2 de Mayo
    Nat'l Team:
    Belarus
    Still, if we're talking best all-around player who happened to be a striker, not necesarily just scoring goals, I like Kevin Keegan. I tend to be partial to more complete players, and Keegan had a much more complete overall game. But maybe in terms of definition he fits more into 'forward' than 'striker'.

    Lisa11
     
  23. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    [I actually saw both Finney & Sir Stan play for both their respective club sides & Eng. as well. I even saw both of them playing for Eng. in the same XI: Matthews on the right & Finney on the left. If you want more info on their comparative abilities& playing styles, just lmk.]
     
  24. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
     
  25. thitoiw

    thitoiw New Member

    Dec 14, 2009
    Tommy Taylor
    :p:D:eek:
     

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