Interest in Liga Ecuador

Discussion in 'Ecuador' started by Metrogo, Feb 15, 2009.

  1. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    OK, you have a point, but if you define glory hunting as supporting the team which ought to win things because of the money they spend, then supporting Newcastle and Club America is glory hunting. They also happen to be two teams that let the glory hunters down time after time.
     
  2. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    What kind of a football fan does it make you if you've spent your entire adult life supporting a team in the premiership and then comes along a new domestic league. One that invents rules different from the rest of the world plays the game, and with no tradition. MEanwhile, you've spent your adult life involved in the American supporters of ______, flying over once or twice a year to see a game. What kind of supporter are you if you decide to stick with the team you've grown to love over many years over a local team that is brand new?

    That's disgraceful??? Give me a break. If you had been an ice hockey fan for 25 years and loved the Montreal Canadians, would it make you disgraceful if a hockey team was just established in NEwcastle, but you still followed the Canadians? Of course not.

    I don't often defend my countrymen, but I will tell you that in every other sport in the US with an established tradition, people mostly follow and love the home team. I will also tell you, having lived and spent time in England and a couple of my very closest friends being English, there is more local loyalty for the established sports teams in the US than there is for football fans in England.

    By the way, personally, I was a season ticket holder for the metrostars for years before they changed their name to Red Bull, so I can't be accused of what you are saying.

    Finally, if you're going to deny that there are Colo Colo fans all over Chile, not just in Santiago, then there is no use speaking with you. You're simply denying reality.
     
  3. GW Emperor

    GW Emperor New Member

    Oct 26, 2008
    Newcastle upon Tyne
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    LOL. Still here are you? Well I am sorry to tell you pal but you are the only one here denying reality and everybody on this board can see it. Your global football knowledge stinks, and nobody is buying the insane crap that you spew. You make up the most stupid stories, like an over the top American, and as a result you are just heavily embarrassing yourself. Also buddy, giving how aggresively you denied the truth regarding how the majority of South America are NOT glory hunters, and you then got on the defensive when faced with such truth, it seems pretty obvious that you yourself are a plastic glory hunter. You can spew up all the crap that you want to deny this but it won't work.

    Metrogo, you should go back to your amateur soccer knowledge boards for children, this before you get your butt kicked some more by fans in the know. Oh and giving all the insane stories that you speak of, I also recommend that you seek mental help as well.
     
  4. GW Emperor

    GW Emperor New Member

    Oct 26, 2008
    Newcastle upon Tyne
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Metrogo - With regards to Soccer USA style. If say you don't have a team for your area for many years, however a team eventually is founded, you should 100% support this team, this because they are the team of your roots and have been put in place for it's people. You shouldnt spit on your heritage and opt to instead watch say Man Utd vs Villareal. You should back whatever club is formed to represent your area, lend a hand, and help them grow. Here in Europe, and in South America, you would see the locals do this, and this is because we are true, loyal, and passionate footy fans.
     
  5. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    How can a team be of "your roots" and "heritage" if it was created just yesterday. In my area, we have Red Bull. I'm not supporting Red Bull because far from putting a team in place "for the people" of NYC, it is first and foremost a marketing arm of a soda company.

    Again, over and over again you are simply wrong. IF a life long Boca Juniors supporter from a Buenos Aires suburb had a stadium built next door to him and a team was put in there called the Snapples, I doubt he would abandon his beloved Boca Juniors and the history, roots and heritage he has personally forged with that team to support the new "local" club.

    Someone pointed out that I started this piss fight, and I suppose I overreacted, as I often do on big soccer, to idiotic platitudes and generalities. For that, I apologize. But your continuing insistence about the "crap" I say and my alleged mental health issues betray an inability to answer this simple question: Do you honestly believe that there aren't substantial numbers of chileans who reside outside of Santiago who support Colo Colo first?

    Finally, you are apparently trying to insult me by referring to me as an "amateur" football fan. You're not. I don't aspire to be a professional spectator, I watch to enjoy. I do aspire to engage and create effectively, not to watch effectively. I suggest you do the same.
     
  6. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I think everyone has differing definitions of what a "local team" constitutes. and its up to every person to really define it because its so unique to people's situations, especially when considering immigrants both to the US and other countries all over the world. for me, the local team is Liga Deportiva Universitaria. I was born in Quito, most of my family lives there, and my ties to Ecuador are incredibly deep therefore it still remains my local team and #1. I live in Florida now, but first moved to Chicago. I would also consider myself a loyal fan of Chicago sports teams and call them my local teams as well because I was raised there during my childhood. There is always that one team in a country that transcends traditional territorial limits such as Colo Colo, or Boca Juniors, Club America, among many others--between their history as an established club, their successes doesmtically and aborad, as well as the relative financial clout that they weild, to many, they are still a local team even if in Club America's example you have a CA fan living in Tijuana or in some border town near Brownsville. With regards to Red Bull, and the bigger umbrella coproration of the energy drink company owning the team, this is no new phenomenon in world football- many teams are owned by businesses wishing to diversify their ability to profit, its just that some businessses are more out there in the open than others such as Red Bull or an oil company. I'd actually consider American sports fans the biggest "glory hunters" (whatever that means) of all because you'll have a person living in Miami who according to what I'm hearing here, has to like the Heat because they live in Miami but really like the Lakers, or really like the Celtics for this reason "just because". I know plenty of people in Los Angeles that were never fans of their NFL team and supported the 49ers or Raiders, and Bostonians that hate the Patriots and are HUGE Lions fans for some reason. The only loyalty I've ever seen is to college football teams mostly because fans are from the alma mater, but theres always a contradiction because its all a comfort level of a person. Then again you throw the dynamic of having a person who might have lived in one place, transplant to another...are they supposed to change allegiance whenver they move? this is what i don't understand.
     
  7. Caturro

    Caturro Member

    Aug 3, 2004
    Chile
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    The futbol culture in Chile is rather special and shouldn't be extrapolated and utilized as an example of how things are in other South American countries. Regionalism is non-existent and all domains of Chilean life are centered around what happens in Santiago (politically, economically, culturally...). This is gradually changing but as of now it is what it is.

    Most clubs sell their shirts in their headquarters... you should've gone to Talcahuano to buy that Huachipato jersey. :D
     
  8. damnecuadorian

    Mar 11, 2007
    SF & NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I would totally root for the Snapples. That name is just awesome.
     
  9. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Snapple Apple?
     
  10. GW Emperor

    GW Emperor New Member

    Oct 26, 2008
    Newcastle upon Tyne
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England

    Metrogo - It doesnt matter when NY RedBull were formed as at the end of the day they are still your team, and are in place for its people of the relevant area. You have turned your back on this team, and its simply not right. You then bring up this super crap scenario involving a new club popping up in Buenos Airies for the people of the relevant area, however Boca Juniors is already a team for the relevant area and obviously Boca is going to remain the number 1 to them, simply because thats the team in place for its people originally. That was one hell of a lame attempt buddy. And with regards to Colo Colo, almost all of Chileans do not make this team their number 1, so stop spewing crap. Sure Colo Colo have a ton of supporters giving the good things the club has done for the Country, and reasons such as Caturro hit on, however the sum of fans do not make up the population almost in its entirety. Obviously alot of the Chilean people support their home team first and foremost, and Colo Colo may mean something special to them, but are not always the top dog in terms of their support.
    Keep trying though Metrogo. Its fun kicking your butt at Footballing knowledge, and who knows you may some day pull of an absolute fluke and actually beat me at something. Good Luck amigo.
     
  11. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Well I think this settles it. I'm not extrapolating from the Chilean example, that's why I'm on here asking... Because I've been to Chile and seen football games there. So you seem to be saying that there is a tendency to support one of the Santiago teams throughout the nation, even at the expense of the smaller, local team... Am I correct?
     
  12. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Are you 5 years old? "Beat you at something"???

    It seems that Caturro pretty much settled it, I was right about Chilean football, and you were wrong. There is a strong tendency of favoritism towards the big Santiago clubs throughout the nation, because of the reasons Caturro intelligently conveyed.

    You may not know much about football in Argentina, so let me explain. It's heavily Buenos Aires based. Boca Juniors shares BA and its suburbs with many other teams. You seem to define teams and its fans by some sort of "catchment area", well, the suburbs of BA are not in Boca's catchment area as you describe it. Therefore, the resident of a BA suburb that has a team closer by than Boca Juniors is a "traitor glory hunter" in your logic. I disagree with it.

    As for the support of Red Bull, I can only tell you this. I love football, and loved the MEtrostars. However, I guess we disagree about whether there are higher principals in life than "supporting the local team". I worry, and oppose, the increasing commercialization of every aspect of human life. Sport included. Now, I understand fully that commerce is a huge part of football, with advertisements being the main feature of football kits and all, but re-branding a team that had some tradition, and changing the name to the product itself, and changing the badge to the logo of the product itself, and when the product has no particular local significance, well, I just can't support that. That is a step too far in the commercialization of human life, and I won't support it, no matter how much I miss going to the games.

    You and others are free to disagree with my point of view. But if you love football so much that you are willing to diminish every personal principle that is important to you, then you are a sad sack.
     
  13. GW Emperor

    GW Emperor New Member

    Oct 26, 2008
    Newcastle upon Tyne
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England

    Look pal, in Chile just because Colo Colo may be close to alot of people's hearts doesnt mean that it is every person's main team, and that is the truth. The combination of fans following the other teams comes to more than those following Colo Colo. FACT.

    Anyways it seems pretty obvious that we are never going to see eye to eye in this whole glory hunting matter. We have became enemies through this one area of many in the Footballing World, and before our posts just become insult based only, due to covering everything that can be glory hunting related, I suggest that we aim for a fresh start. The Ecuadorians are getting tired of us, and some have tried to end our little feud. I am prepared to move on, and offer you a hand shake of friendship to put an end to this bitter hatred. Do you accept amigo, or do you want us to keep this feud running?

    Oh and since the current MLS side of New York are not your numero uno, may I ask who are you main team these days? And if this feud of ours has closed I wont even question your choice for the wrong reasons.
     
  14. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    I likewise extend the olive branch... Since you promised not to question me...

    I am an Arsenal fan. I lived in North London in the mid 80s, and Highbury was the closest ground, so I chose them.

    I was a metrostars season ticket holder for 5 years, but gave it up for the reason I stated. I am currently a member of the Borough Boys, we are trying to bring an MLS team to the five boroughs, we have put together investors and local politicians to discuss possible stadium plans. And generated press coverage of the effort. The economic downturn is hurting though.

    And of course, the US national team.
     
  15. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    If you want it to succeed than I offer you one advice. You need a team with history, Class and Prestige, what better team than the new York Cosmos. Now i hear that trying to own the rights is a big f.v.cking shitty-mess and almost impossible. I even heard that Pele owns some right. If you can convince investors to put forward this NY Cosmos plan than I'm sure you'll have the biggest fan base in the USA. you need a homerun.
     
  16. Guayaquileño

    Guayaquileño Member

    Dec 3, 2006
    New York City
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would really be a fan of a new New York Cosmos...
     
  17. sebas/Liga De Quito

    Feb 18, 2007
    Tampa, Fl
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Always root for the home team unless its against your team....thats how I look at it...in Tampa im going for the Tampa Bay Rowdies but if a miracle happens and they play Liga then ill support Liga ofcourse...
     
  18. GW Emperor

    GW Emperor New Member

    Oct 26, 2008
    Newcastle upon Tyne
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Given that soccer is far down the pecking order in USA, and that MLS already have a New York based team, it would be very difficult to create another New York club in the MLS. The Rebirth of the New York Cosmos certainly sounds like the best option. They are one of the most popular US soccer sides of all time, and if they were to return they would sure gather a decent support. New York Cosmos vs Red Bull New York should also make a good local derby.
     
  19. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    It wouldn't be difficult at all. The league wants it, and there are interested investors. The problem is getting a stadium built in NYC, that's the challenge. Investors, the league and the City have all met and discussed it, everyone is in agreement. It's just getting a stadium built in a city without a lot of empty space and in the current economic climate.
     

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