Again, Mr. north east glory hunter comes back with nothing. Tell me where you have been, and what the support was like in latin american countries. Anyone can go on wiki and read that the official name of Puerto montt starts with "club deportes". It's hilarious, you have no facts to offer. So you rely on the "americans don't know football" routine, and then when you're called out for an area where your experience is limited, you get defensive. You're sad. And I'm sorry, a latin american studies class at your local college doesn't count.
And ps, try to do a little research on attendance in smaller latin american countries, you can't find it. I wonder why. But here's a little article from your great nation's national news service, on chilean football: "I heard on the radio another match with a big team, Unión Española, had only about 2,000 people. "Another team outside Santiago had 1,000 people. That is really what is going on in the industry." http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_football/3583913.stm Oh, and this is from 2004, a year when Chile was experiencing strong economic growth in what was already the richest South American country.
What do you mean I have came back with nothing? Almost everything I have said about loyality and passion to the home clubs from South Americans has been backed here by the actual South Americans, in the form of Ecuadorians, here on this board. Do you believe that members such as Guayaquileño or Spencer are not real? You are degrading these people and its not on. I have came back with more facts than you have, whereas all you have done is just imagined a World full of plastic glory hunters. I think you are just full of jealousy or something. You also think that just because you bump into a small group of people in a Costa Rican village, who arent sure of the goings on in local footy, means that the nation doesnt care. You also think that just because you visit a couple of shops in Costa Rica that only sell one jersey in the form of Saprissa, therefore means that no other shirt must be sold. Well I tell you buddy that their are plenty of fans in Costa Rica, and that it is easy to find LD Alajuelense and Club Sport Herediano shirts also. The other club shirts are harder to find, however they are available their, and finding them is not rare. Get out more buddy and see for yourself.
You are not offending me lol, why would that be ? You haven't been rude or anything and I'm just trying to give you the info you where tying to get, so no worries man And if thats the case of Costa Rica, they are a country that has an inferior league and football than ours and I don't really know and care much really All I know about is where I'm form and where I live, which is Ecuador. Cheers!
LOL. So just because a stadium might not get full means that nobody cares does it? Plus it was mainly down to violence as to why people stopped going anyway, had nothing to do with love loss for the team or because they may be glory hunters. The fans could instead follow their team through TV. Also it is quite rare that you will see such low attendances in Chile, and that article you provided was from 2004 for goodness sake. In case you do not know we are now in 2009.
Ah, and here are the 2 clues where you are coming from: 1. You come from a homogenous place where the "enlightened" people find it impolitic to frankly speak about what goes on elsewhere. Well, let me tell you. I'm of Latin American descent, though born and brought up in New York. We here are not afraid to speak frankly about such issues because we live and work and ride the trains together every day. So when I ask about football in Ecuador, and ask whether people care about certain teams and certain leagues, only know-nothing white liberals like yourself will be offended. 2. You've been to the no.1 tourist destination in LAtin America, cost rica, and you think you know something. Now this is hilarity.
For your information my Brooklyn based friend, I have been to more Latino Countries than just Costa Rica, and not only that but as part of my occupation we have people set up all across the Americas who inform of us of the Footballing goings on in their relevant areas. So I am very in with the global football scene. Anyways the whole point for which we began arguing is because of glory hunting in South America. Now the fact is, wherever you like it or not, the majority of South Americans are very loyal, passionate Football fans, who support their home club first and foremost, and it is very rare that you will come across a South American who has turned their back on their own, this for a rich, powerful, and popular big boy. The Ecuadorians have already told you this, if you visit other South American Country boards they will tell you this, and if you actually took a tour of South America you will see it in person. If and when you ever do choose to visit South America, you will see that the passion and loyality that the locals put into their home teams and Football is incredible. They are mega fans of the Sport. Metrogo, please learn to except the truth regarding South America, and see the relevant people for what true Football fans they are.
First, I asked a question, did not make a statment, about the game in Ecuador, and you saw fit to give a lecture about "how we're all basically the same...". As I said before, Kumbaya. Second, forget south american, look at the attendance and interest in lower table serie a teams. Fans of inter, Milan and Juve are all over italy. The home team may be in "the heart" of a Lecce resident, but they spend time and money watching the big clubs. Fact. Third, your "world football contacts" aren't doing a very good job, because there is something big about to be announced with respect to Ecuador football and you don't know about it. Four, I appreciate what the Ecuadorians have told me here, and god knows they have provided some information I can use, unlike you. But I ahve spent time in south and central america and MExico, and attended football games there, so I know what I'm talking about because I've seen it with my own eyes. I'm not relying solely on message board denizens who likely don't represent the average in their home countries, but the more dedicated. Again, if this is your business you need to get out more. Five, I see people for what they are, rather than what I want them to be (like you). Football fans from every country have the "support the local team types", support the local league types, as well as the fans who care more about the big clubs and big leagues than the team close to home. This is true everywhere, even in England. Of course, there are varying degrees of this. Six, I'm glad I have helped you understand. Given your comments, you surely lack an understanding for football culture in the US, and you are woefully misinformed about the game outside of your country. But hey, you've got the NorthEast big spending giants to support, not to mention your Club America affinity. Give me a break. You don't even practice what you preach. See ya. Thanks to the Ecuadorians for their fine input.
fans in Ecuador are fans of their home teams, or some team in the local tournament first and foremost. the team doesn't necessarily have to be from the hometown because Barcelona is the exception considering they have a massive majority of fans with Liga coming as the team with the most fans behind Barce. Anyway, the loyalty remains to whatever local team they support, and then they'll be fans of other teams. Me for example, I am a Liga fan and have been for as long as I can remember, but in most other countries, I'll have a favored team that I like to watch: Argentina is River Plate, England is Aston Villa and Wycombe, France is PSG, Turkey is Galatasaray, Greece is Olympiakos, etc...but these are all teams I've chosen and like, but I don't have any allegiance to them because Liga is first and foremost. My roommate is a huge Real Madrid fan and a bigger Juventus fan but first and foremost is "Cuenca corazon". So yes, we follow other teams but in my estimation, the home product is what is closest to our hearts and what defines true support to a club.
LOL. More crap spewing out of the mouth from the USA Plastic Glory Hunter. I'm not surprised you have decided to end your relationship with this board because you were embarrassing yourself with your inferior footballing knowledge (typical of a USA plastic glory hunter), and your crazy visions of the World being full of back stabbing football fans, who prefer more wealthier, bigger clubs. You even had the cheek to close by saying that the Italian people prefer the bigger clubs too. No kidding if you would have stuck around here for 12 months, you would have went through every country in the World, and said that they are all glory hunting nations too. With regards to the question you asked to start with, I provided a fair answer to a part of it, and was backed up by the Ecuadorian people, then you got defensive and kicked off the feud, in which as this feud went on you just began making up more and more silly, unrealistic stories about glory hunting mania and lack of care and support etc. My knowledge of the global game is far greater than yours, which doesnt need to be proving by the occupation I have and company that I work for, but also by simply comparing our posts in this thread, or comparing our posts overall at BigSoccer. Unless you are willing to accept the Footballing World for what it is, learn the truth, and quit seeing it the wierd way that you want it to be, then I am sorry to say buddy but you will always be one amateur footy fan. You would in fact probably be better off just sticking to your American Sports, with your Over the Top characters such as Hulk Hogan, because lets be honest this is definately more you giving the OTT crap you came up with on this board.
Thanks LDU. What you have said is what I have been telling this Metrogo guy, and he just hates to accept it, this even though it is the blatant truth. It is the blatant truth throughout the majority of South America.
It seems to me that the original post is trying to achieve a particular response that is in line with the poster's interests (perhaps some business venture or other objective).
You could be right Manolo. I wonder how this thread would have panned out if I hadnt popped up and told the guy the strict truth. He clearly was not happy with what I had to say, hence why he began attacking me verbally. I believe that I threw a spanner into the works of whatever scheme he was trying to pull off, and like I said earlier the guy was a clueless global footy fan.
GW good job lol! i actually read the whole 4 pages of you guys arguing. I dont know why metrogol was so rude to you , you were just giving your opion and he came out all mad at you. There was a part in his replys that he said somethin like .... some kind of news the ecuadorian futbol is going to get in a couple of weeks. I cant remember what he said but somethin like that .... but i wonder what news that is!.
I do have a potential business interest, Manolo. And in fact, what GW says, if true, would be a good thing for business. I just don't rely on people who speak in platitudes, generalities and cliches.
I understand that you have to misrepresent what I say, it's the only chance you have of being right. But it's transparent, as is your anti-Americanism, which you again base on stereotypes and generalities. You don't know who I support, yet you call me a glory hunter. You, on the other hand, support Newcastle, probably the fourth biggest spender in the biggest spending league, and Club America!!!!! Talk about a glory hunter!
Ok, well I hate to chime in but maybe we should just stick to the original question which is, I believe, how closely do Ecua expats follow the first division. I think you two could write another couple of pages without coming to an agreement so I guess it isn't worth getting carpal tunnel. Anyway, from my limited experience in Ecua football I think many people begin to watch Ecua players abroad and then grow up with the team watching them and enjoying them. (i.e. PSV, Wigan, Necaxa, Santos Laguna). Which is why Quiteños adorn the PSV jersey everywhere, and PSV games are covered on teleamazonas. Of course, I could be wrong but maybe we can just get back to the question at hand and dismiss all of this glory hunter rubbish. By the way, Metrogo is there a business interest maybe bringing the Ecuadorian league to more viewers or something of the like?
a team from Ecuador will be coming to the States in the coming months, an announcement will be made about that within about two weeks. We are looking to use that appearance as a kick off to connect Ecuador clubs to ecuadorians in the New York Metropolitan area (NYC is the third largest Ecuadorian City!) and promote more games here and real television coverage to the ex pat community. I came on here to ask the questions I was asking to get a sense of how interested Ecuadorians living abroad would be interested in such programs. I honestly don't know. I'm sorry I got into a piss fight on your boards.
Well cool, and I have to say it was interesting reading both yours and GWs posts. I agree with both of you to a sense and feel you both made good arguments; moreover I have no doubt about both of your credentials (sounds like you do work for football promotion, relations). Hopefully some of the more seasoned Ecuador football followers can provide some more enthusiasm and depth as I think some live in the NYC metropolitan area. Good Luck and let us know who is going to the US and how it works!!
Metrogo, I didn't have the patience the read through the entire flame war, but I just want to say something regarding what started it all. Supporting your local hometown club and following a wealthier overseas club is not mutually exclusive. One can remain a die-hard Emelec fan and still root for Real Madrid as if it were their hometown club. GW is a friendly and very helpful poster on this Ecuador forum. I think your vicious attack of him was uncalled for, unprofessional, and just plain wrong. However, since your interests are relevant to our interests, lets forget about that and go back to the main point: Ex-pats are most definitely still attached to their favorite clubs back home. I remember when my whole family went to see Liga vs Emelec in Randall's Island in 1991 (though I might have the teams and the year wrong). There was a pretty good turnout. My dad subscribes to DirecTV and Dish Network almost exclusively for their Ecuadorian channels and the ability to see games from the Ecuadorian league. I'm sure there are thousands more just like him in the NYC area. As for myself, I was born and raised in NYC and am a religious follower of the Ecuadorian national team and teams like Wigan and PSV. However I must confess that I don't follow the teams from the Ecuadorian league unless it's something big like Copa Libertadores. But if the teams came to NY, I would most definitely attend! I hope this helps.
Erm, I was born and bred in Newcastle upon Tyne, and therefore I support the team of my roots first and foremost, that does not make me a glory hunter. A glory hunter is somebody who stabs their home club in the back, this to follow first and foremost a club who has great stats, popularity, wealth, and top trophies. These people mostly come from countries where football is trying to grow, for instance USA and Asian Countries, and this is what makes the whole act of glory hunting even more disgraceful, because these people are not giving their home leagues the support it so desperately needs, and instead choose to spend time watching Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Bayern Munich etc. Us Europeans and South Americans on the other hand rarely ever do this, this because the majority of us are true, loyal, and passionate Football fans. But anyways it was good of you to take an interest in Ecuador soccer, and to inform the posters of relevant growth, this to benefit those that reside in New York. I am fully behind anything that will help the Ecuadorian League grow and hit a wider audience, as afterall Ecuadorian Soccer is getting stronger (LDU Quito winning the massive Copa Libertadores tournament last year is a good example, and a great story it was too), they are beginning to produce World Class Footballing talent (i.e. Luis Antonio Valencia, Christian Benitez etc), and the great, loyal, passionate people of Ecuador deserve it.