Well, I played it on Wii, so I don't know how much different it was, but FIFA 09 is still complete garbage, just like every other soccer game made by EA. I think the people who are saying FIFA is better are the people who don't really understand how to play the sport of soccer and they are just impressed by things that don't matter like having real names/clubs and graphics. Okay maybe FIFA has better graphics and yeah they have a lot more club teams, but how does that matter when you can't even play soccer correctly with them? At least in PES you can play soccer - and that's what I prefer to do with the video game - play the sport that I love. Yes it sucks that there aren't as many teams to choose from, but I would rather use "Romaldinho" and company to actually play something that actually resembles the sport rather than pick from 500 (or however many there are) teams and then not even be able to play soccer at all with them. After playing FIFA 09 for a couple of days I put in PES and the difference was night and day. Not even that, the difference was like eating your favorite pizza (PES) vs eating moldy cheese (FIFA). Gameplay is all that matters and the only game with good gameplay is PES!
Some actual specific complaints I have though (other than just bashing FIFA like my last post): -The CPU does not play realistically in FIFA. In PES, sometimes the CPU will play rough and make cheap fouls on you or rough you up (key word is sometimes, because it varies how the CPU plays, which is nice because it means the game is different each time). In these instances they will get called fouls for snippy things, even on your side of the field. In FIFA the CPU almost never committs fouls and when they do it's always booked. That's not soccer - in soccer players committ cheap fouls that aren't booked, they just cause a free kick and move on. This happens in PES and not in FIFA. -The players don't move correctly in FIFA. In PES, the players move realistically - sometimes they will leave their positions when required, which happens in real games. Tall defenders will come forward into the box on corner kicks, midfielders will make runs that overlap forwards, fullbacks will cover for central defenders who have been beaten - this stuff happens in real life (and in PES) but it doesn't happen in FIFA! In FIFA the players are strictly programmed for each position and they never deviate from their pre-programmed jobs. Your midfielders are coded to play inbetween the defenders and forwards and thus they will never run ahead of the strikers to create space and give you additional options in attack. Fullbacks are programmed to defend the wing and they don't give a damn if the middle is exposed, they aren't going to move over to help because apparently they think that's not their "job". One of the easiest ways to score on FIFA is to dribble right down the middle. All you have to do is beat the central defender(s) and you are through on goal for an easy scoring chance. Try dribbling down the middle in PES... the fullbacks will collapse in on you and give you no where to go except outside (away from goal) or back the way you came from (oh, just like a real game, what a coincidence...) -The players don't move fluidly in FIFA. I don't really know how to describe this, but playing FIFA I found that the players felt limited in their movements when I controlled them whereas when I play PES I feel like I have complete control over my players and can always get them to do what I'm trying to get them to do (and I couldn't do that with FIFA). One example of this is in PES I can avoid touching a ball that is rolling out of bounds in order to get a throw in, goal kick, corner, whatever. In FIFA, this is impossible because the player (even when you are 'controlling' him and pushing to go in the opposite direction) automatically runs directly towards the loose ball and you can't do anything to stop him from touching it. Some other things that aren't related to gameplay but were incredibly annoying: -The presentation is terrible in FIFA. After every stoppage in play for fouls/injuries/substitutions you have no idea what is going on. In PES they take a brief break to show you what is going on - the referee warning or showing a card to a player, someone being carried off the field, players subbing in... in FIFA they don't show you anything. All that happens is they display a (very small) box somewhere on the screen that you have to locate quickly because it goes away just as fast as it came up. IMO this takes a lot away from the atmosphere. -The commentary is even worse in FIFA. One thing I noticed is that the commentators will NEVER say team names in FIFA. In PES it's a nice introduction... "hello, Team A is taking on Team B today", and after the match they say "And that's the final whistle. The final score today: Team X 3, Team Y 1. etc." in FIFA they won't even acknowledge who is playing or even give you a proper greeting to the game or a proper sendoff. When the game starts it immediately goes to kickoff and when it ends it immediately goes to the menu... to me, that takes away from the experience. Also, the commentators make some really stupid comments. For example, I noticed that every time I made a slide tackle (even clean slide tackles where no foul was involved) the commentator would say "it was a great tackle, but it looks like he might have to come out, he may have injured himself" even though no one is ever injured. It's like that is the only line they have programmed for "if user slide tackles, say [this]", and it makes no sense 99.99% of the time (I have yet to see a player actually get injured from making a slide tackle, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt [0.01%] and assume that it may happen once in your lifetime so that the comment actually makes sense). Also, going back to the booking thing, sometimes the commentators don't even acknowledge that a player has been booked (or even sent off!!). Honestly with the way this is set up, I'm surprised that they even comment when a goal has been scored...
You sir, are so unbelievably full of shit that your eyeballs are turning brown. Right now I'm contemplating not even replying to your post and counterpointing your "complaints" because quite frankly, 90% of what you've said is practically false. Let me clarify. When you said you had points, I actually thought that they were solid arguments, not things you've imagined. Allow me to counter in my next reply with a block of text.
FALSE I've experienced different levels of CPU intensity when playing offline. Some teams I play against will shift to an overly aggressive mindset and make bad tackles, resulting in yellows and reds. Other times I've seen tackles that should have been bookings and free kicks completely ignored by the CPU referee. For instance, at least twice today I was in the middle of making a shot inside the penalty box when I was literally shoved in the back by a CPU player and play continued on. Not only that but there is also a form of "simulation" that will sometimes occur either by the CPU player or the human player you're controlling. Today I've seen it twice whereby the CPU player went down just near the border of the penalty box, when I knew I wasn't trying to grab his shirt, and the CPU ref ignored the fall and play continued on. FALSE All players can and do leave their positions when "required". Midfielders will most certainly move up to the box for goal scoring opportunities, especially if wingers are making a run down the side. I've seen forwards move back to midfield and defenders push through midfield to support a full counter-attack. In this case it depends on two things: 1. What your team mentality, both offensive and defensive, is set to and... 2. If you're using custom formations, setting up forward and defensive runs for individual players across the pitch TRUE I have run into the problem of not being able to stop a player from chasing a ball that is clearly going out. As far as that point goes, I have to hand it to you, that's definitely a problem, but really only a small problem. This is total bullshit. There's a cut scene after EVERY foul. You watch a small clip of the referee pulling aside players involved in a bad tackle, whereby the ref will either administer either of the two cards or leave it at a talking to, the referee might be surrounded by members of your own team pleading your case and demanding the referee do nothing, or you can even see the referee running towards you giving an immediate red if the tackle was bad enough. After EVERY substitution you're shown a cut scene of the substituted player coming off and the new player arriving on the field, along with a panned camera view of the crowd's "reaction". Not only that but you have commentary about what's occurring too. For instance if a player is being substituted that has suffered an injury, Clive Tyldesley might allude to the fact he's been "looking to the bench for the last couple of minutes" or perhaps Andy Gray will inform you that he was "starting to look a little leggy". If a bad tackle's just happened, the commentary will suggest so, in the middle of the cut-scene as the referee is pulling out a card. Then the commentator will actually comment on what card it was and how it may affect the game or if he blatantly deserved it. I'm surprised you think you know what you're talking about. Every single game begins with both commentators greeting the "fans" who are "watching" the game. Sometimes they will discuss where both teams are situated on the table or even what kind of match it is (for example, a cup tie, or battle for relegation etc). Every single game also ends with commentary farewelling the "fans" who have "watched" the game. Maybe you don't stick around for the after shock and quickly exit out to the main menu. Is that a POS2009 thing to not savour the entire atmosphere? I have also heard commentary regarding me as a manager, suggesting that I've been excellent for the club lately or that I've got a bright future ahead of me. If a new player's been signed there'll definitely be a reference to that person (not by name, just as "the new arrival" or something similiar), and if a star player's out injured or missing from the roster a commentator will mention that "they're without one of their key players". Also, I've never, ever heard a commentator suggest that a player has been injured when a slide tackle has happened UNLESS the tackle has resulted in a foul (and even then usually a booking or worse). The lines used to describe different situations are varied and not very repetitive (which surprised me when I first played the game as I expected to hear the same two or three lines over and again). Also, I've certainly had players injured and injure when receiving and making slide tackles. In fact it's one of my most favourite things to do when I know I'm going to lose a game. I'll slide in sideways and take out a CPU player or two. And on the last part of that "point", a commentator will always remark that a player has been warned or sent off. Better yet they will usually comment that a player has not been warned and has been lucky to get off scot free. Also there's commentary just after half-time, whereby both commentators will give their thoughts on the proceedings thus far and hopes for what the coming half will bring. Honestly it sounds to me like you've either not really played the game at all or you've got some options turned off that would truly allow you to experience what a great game FIFA is. There's some things that cannot be fixed and there's some bugs that still need to be sorted out, but beyond that most of the problems you're having with the game simply aren't there to begin with.
Come on... While the difference between this FIFA and last is not that great the difference between them and previous iterations are profound. I agree with most of your comments but don't fall into the fanboy trap. It is a very good FIFA game and EA are clearly moving in the right direction
Actually I really honestly believe that he has some options turned off and isn't experiencing everything in the game. I'm starting to think he doesn't have any cut-scenes or pre/post-match commentary with highlights. Maybe he just keeps clicking whenever it cuts off to a video scene and is missing out? I don't know.
This is incorrect. You CAN stop them from chasing a ball you just have to hit the super-cancel buttons. I believe for the PS3 it is R2+L2. It really adds to the gameplay as not only can you prevent touching the ball before it rolls out of bounds but you can also get of the cpu-programmed runs and re-direct your player to take the quickest route to the ball. FIFA took that play out of PES' playbook. So for the PES fan and for you, now you know.
Any idea what this button is on PC? I'm assuming it's the normal "cancel/dummy move" button, but your use of the word 'super' threw me off. To be honest it didn't occur to me to press the 'Cancel' button when my player would mindlessly trot off after a useless ball. I'll have to try that and report the findings here.
No idea. Give it a try and let me know what you find. Again, this was in the PES games first and was called the "super-cancel" button. FIFA has now put it into its game as well and I use it frequently. It really adds to the game.
It's bloody useful, especially if you're in a 3 vs 2 situation and you've got a forward going parallel with another one next to him. Just pass to the second, throw in a dummy and the third picks it up.
Yeah, I've always liked the dummy. It's a real nice touch. But this was also taken out of the PES playbook.
It certainly isn't the 'Cancel Move/Dummy' button. Perhaps it is the "W" button (for some reason this is my default "Stand still" button). Again, I'll try it out and be back with the results.
i would say Fifa 09 because PES 09 has not been as good as other previous titles, Fifa has a better online mode than PES
I have PES 09 in PS2 and while I try to load the file to continue playing, it appears this: Save Data is Corrupted Loading Failed I needed to restart the game like 5 times because this doesnt works and doesnt saves, do anyone knows what is the problem?
I have an xbox 360, and I bought both games. The only thing I can do is make an analogy to real teams. Make of it what you will. Pro Evo is Barcelona. Plays beautifully, with flow and speed. Fifa is Chelsea - Slower, less exciting, fiddly, and easily boring. Not to mention official and business like. Pro Evo has fake names for a lot of teams, that is a pain, but the gameplay is in another league to Fifa in my opinion.
FIFA is like a PC and PES is like a Mac: with every iteration of the games, FIFA improves by learning stuff from the PES, while PES stays the same or even loses a little trying to improve itself to maintain a clear lead. At this point, they are quite close. I think long-time serious football gamers, though, the ones who have been following the two series for a decade or more, have a built-in bias for the Winning Eleven/Pro-Evolution Soccer series. Like those old-time Mac users: even if the PCs copied the mouse, folders, drag & drop, copy & paste, widgets, etc. to the point that they became basically Macs with a larger user base (and keeping the few good things they had originally of their own), they won't ever admit that a PC can be equal to a Mac now.
Well, most people in North America have voted with their wallets if that's the best indication for popular opinion. Globally, 7.8 million copies of FIFA 09 have been sold. What's more, if you're looking for online competition, you'll easily find someone to play as more than 141 million games have been played. If you're looking to see for yourself check out the FIFA Interactive World Cup 2009 in the US.