Ives: Beasley Back to MLS in January?

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by mk71885, Dec 26, 2008.

  1. sostoked

    sostoked Member

    Jul 7, 2008
    Denver
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    in other news, Jose Francisco Torres and Freddy Adu fight for the newly opened left midfield spot...


    just kidding
     
  2. Shaydee

    Shaydee Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    there were some recent rumors that Espanyol, Osasuna, and Wolfsburg were interested in DMB
     
  3. revsfan44

    revsfan44 Member

    Jun 2, 2007
    Providence / Amherst
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Kraft and Nicol think that M. Castro is now their LM with Ralston at AM. The Revs only played a 4-4-2 last year because of injuries. When everyone is healthy, the Revs play a 3-5-2
     
  4. DogWalker

    DogWalker New Member

    Dec 28, 2008
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Beasley is an explosive player. It be nice to see a world-class US player in MLS, instead of when they are in POST - retirement form.
     
  5. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    PLEASE NO! Leave Beasley somewhere else. He's horrible and extremely OVERRATED! Maybe not horrible but OVERRATED, yes.

    Question is: Does he deserve DP money? Yes he does. Does he deserve to be getting it here in MLS, no. Let some European with money overpay for his services!
     
  6. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    First - DMB has not been explosive since his return from injury unfortunately.
    With all the other holes in his game that hurts him big time and limits his effectiveness.

    Second - World Class. Are you serious? I mean it. Are you?


    Then again, you have Celtic and Rangers as clubs you support. Can anyone take someone who does that serious? Don't think so.:p
     
  7. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    For whom has it worked?
     
  8. Beazley17

    Beazley17 Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    South Florida
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Basically, I think he meant top USA player. Anyways, Beasley would be able to help out any team in the MLS, and be a very solid player. But as you guys are discussing, how much will Beasley take to come here, and will he demand DP money? I would like to see Beasley come over here, and suceed, and be able to see him play much more, but I think if there are teams interested as stated, in La Liga like Espanyol, and Osasuna I think he should try to head over there, and work, train, and play with the best.

    La Liga to me would be great. Beasleys pace on the wing could make him very useful, not a very physical leauge, and he could definatley work on his technical ability, aka first touch.
     
  9. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    First - Well, if that is what he meant it still doesn't sound to good. One of the better Yanks out there works for me. I mean, do Vanuatu fans out there call there best player world class?


    Second - DMB is the type of player who will lose a lot of his effectiveness if he loses his speed. I am very afraid we may be seeing the end of DMB. He isn't a very good passer and his dribbling is limited to speed moves.

    I really hope it's just a case of Ranger missing out on Europe early, so they gotta trim the budget, and the injured DMB just got left out/back because of numbers.

    I desperately want to see him roaming the wings with speed again. Hope it happens. If not he is gonna be in trouble.:(
     
  10. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    This is one of the reasons why the DP system just doesn't work. Now you are basically just left with ONE star player per team. Two if you trade for an additional DP.

    While I don't like DMB and I think that he should get overpaid in Europe and not here, I'm sure that there is a MLS team that could make him work for them.

    These are situations that MLS could and should take advantage of, bringing in DMB, while only for half a season, would be great. They could then in turn spruce him up and sell him off of some money.
     
  11. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    None of us have really seen him play for a while, have we? Hard to say whether he's fully recovered from his injuries and still has his speed and amazing durability (for a skinny little guy).

    He'd be an asset to MLS, and he might have a better chance to get back to form than at a European side. But if it's a bout the money, one would think a Euro side will give him a try.
     
  12. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    I'd like to see both Jamar and DaMarcus Beasley back in MLS at some point.

    But I don't think 2009 will be that year for either of them.
     
  13. Tmagic77

    Tmagic77 Member+

    Feb 10, 2003
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Donovan.
     
  14. Johnny B

    Johnny B New Member

    Oct 4, 2008
    New Jersey
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I'd love to see DMB back in MLS, he is worth DP money but I honestly don't see any team paying him DP money, not because he isn't worth it but because of the current salary system in place.
     
  15. Dignan

    Dignan Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Granada
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, Beasely for one.

    McBride
    Howard
    Hejduk
    Convey
    Altidore
    Sanneh
    Bocanegra
    Hahnemann
    Gibbs
    Vanney
    Califf
    Corrales
    Dempsey (2 goals yesterday)

    Just off the top of m head. They all used MLS to launch them into Europe and succeeded at some level there. I am probably forgetting like 10 other guys. Friedel even. He came back and played a season and a half before making a move to Liverpool.

    Even guys like Adu, Mathis, and Johnson who were or are struggling used MLS to get a bigger pay day.

    I just don't see how you can argue that MLS is not a viable gateway to Europe. At the very least it buys you some time, because often there are clubs interterested but they are not ready to make the move. Play a year or two in MLS and down the road that GM or coach may be ready to make the move for you, and at least you weren't sitting around doing nothing.

    I just don't understand how people can argue that playing MLS is not a viable option for gaining a European contract. The overwhelming body of evidence supports that MLS can be a good move. Is it risky? Sure but it is also risky to try to make it in Europe without any previous pro-experience. Sometime it pays off, sometimes it does not.
     
  16. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    :confused:


    ...which means he isn't worth DP money.;)



    Yogi Berra would have been proud of that logic.:D
     
  17. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    I think we're making slightly different arguments here. I haven't seen a case where an American player playing in Europe at a mid or high level club comes back to MLS and then boomerangs back to Europe.

    I belive just about all of the other players you listed started in MLS, or joined the league after unsuccessful stints in Europe.
     
  18. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Cory Gibbs

    When he left college to play for St. Pauli they were in the Bundesliga. After their slide down the table he returned to MLS with Dallas. After his season with them, he boomeranged back to Europe with Feyenoord.

    It can happen. Brad Friedel's the other obvious answer.
     
  19. Dignan

    Dignan Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Granada
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eventually, Kenny Cooper as well.

    I think its a rare occassion, because when most Yanks head back to the states they are done with their European adventure, either because it did not go so well (Kirovski) or because they want to finish things up in the US after a successful run in Europe (Lewis, McBride, Keller, Reyna).

    Twellman could have gone to Europe if not for MLS's meddling, and to be sure Donovan and Rogers could eventually make the list depending on how things go.
     
  20. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire

    I think you miss his point. It is less that Beasley is not DP money than it is that no team is going to make Beasely their "Designated Player," as in Marquee Player.

    A player of Beasley's talent experience and pedigree should be making DP money, but it is hard to see a team justifying paying him significantly, if not several times, more than any other player on the team, or, as in the cases of Blanco and Beckham, more than the ENTIRE rest of the of the team is being paid.

    Which is why Johnny B brought up the salary structure.

    Beasley is a terrific talent and I would love to see him back in MLS. If MLS teams had a $5 or 10 million payroll, and a team could afford $1 million on Beasley, it would be great. Current MLS economics do not allow it.

    He is worthy of DP money, but perhaps not of being a DP. He simply is not a marquee players, someone who will sell tickets, sell shirts, AND lift his team.
    -Beckham can do that (especially the first two, but also the third on his day)
    -Blanco does that (especially the first and third)
    -Angel does that (especially the third)
    I just do not see Beasley doing that. He is a complimentary player. I loved watching him play for the Fire, but I do not see him as a "Star" player.

    I think there are many players who fall into this category. I could list hundreds of players who are worthy of DP money, but are not really DP-material. In fact, most USMNT players would fall into this category.
    It may say more about how MLS and American fans value "their" (i.e., USMNT) players.
     
  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I think what Beasley is also seeing is that his spot on the USMNT is under serious threat from the young guns like Roggie Rogers, Sacha Kljestan, Stuart Holden, and friends. He's got to be playing if he expects to be an important part of the US squad going forward to WC10.

    I'm not convinced right now Beasley is better than those options. Not convinced at all.
     
  22. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    MODS: Can you please erase this thread, Beasley is DONE. We are wasting valuable server space on this nonsense. Thank you.
     
  23. Dignan

    Dignan Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Granada
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whoa!! Whoa!!

    My sarcasm detector only goes to 10.
     
  24. WJMarx

    WJMarx BigSoccer Supporter

    May 5, 2003
    Boulder, CO
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Unfortunately Beaseley is the same player today that he was when he left MLS for Europe. He still has 2 major shortcomings that have limited his quality. 1) He cannot cross the ball effectively or consistently. 2) He cannot protect the ball or his space. He is knocked off the ball far too easily.

    Having seen him train & play many times at the Bradenton Academy and observing his inaugural spring training with the Chicago Fire, I predicted a great future for him. I assumed he would overcome his obvious deficiencies, size and crossing ability. He did neither and I was wrong. These defects in his game have limited his career and will continue to do so. Therefore, it is not even a question of paying him DP money or guaranteeing him a USMNT spot. He simply is not worth it.
     
  25. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a huge US fan that just hasn't been following the yanks abroad much this season, can someone fill me in on why he's failed at Rangers?

    He seemed to start his Rangers career very promisingly until he got injured. What's the deal now? I find it hard to believe he can't be effective for Rangers in the SPL (which I rate lower then MLS (especially when you're on Rangers/Celtic).

    Has he seen anytime since his injury? Is the fear that his career is permanently damaged because of injury?
     

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