1/2 Yank Abroad, Ramón Núñez to Puebla

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by sidefootsitter, Dec 27, 2008.

  1. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
  2. irish56

    irish56 Member+

    Oct 30, 2006
    indy
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting that Ramon moved to Puebla. They really sucked ass during the Apertura and desperately need a shot of adrenaline in the attacking department. Ramon can help. I had heard/read (can't remember) that a return to MLS was a really possibility. When the Clausura kicks off I plan on doing my weekly recap so I will include Ramon. With the accumulated point system they use in Mexico from the Apertura and Clausura it's gonna be a long, tough battle for the to stay in the Primera.
     
  4. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Nice move for Ramon and nice payday, too.

    Well-played by MLS letting him leave on a free.:rolleyes:

    I've always thought Ramon had talent and he showed it for Honduras at the U23 and senior team levels. (An away brace against Canada in WC qualifying, for example.) But he could never find his niche in MLS; in part that's because he struggled with the physicality of the league and had attitude issues but I also think the coaches gave up on him.

    Of course, their job is to win now and they're all busy trying not to get fired so I don't blame them for that. But it's hard not to wonder if Ramon would have done better in MLS playing under a better situation.

    As for Ramon not playing for the US, he actually wanted to and expressed frustration several times that the USSF didn't do anything to help him. But, the real blame lies with his parents, who came to the US when he was four and never got a Green Card, which is why Ramon didn't get one till 2007 and by then he was cap-tied to Honduras.

    Had his parents bothered to apply for a Green Card when Ramon was an early teenager, perhaps he'd have gotten his citizenship by the time he was a young adult and would have been able to play for the US. (Whether he'd have been good enough is another question.)
     
  5. Scott e Dio93

    Scott e Dio93 New Member

    Jul 1, 2006
    Montevideo, URU
    Wasn't Ramon's problem not having a Green Card? So why bother putting him here!!!?
     
  6. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    BTW, as long as we're talking about "1/2 Yanks" in Mexico, it should be mentioned that Carlos Ochoa, who has a handful of caps for El Tri, was just loaned from Monterrey to C.D. Guadalajara - big Chivas.

    Ochoa was born in Mexico and moved to the US when he was 12. He scored a boatload of goals in HS in the US and then was an NAIA All American at Azusa Pacific, where he played for three seasons. He had an ill-fated tryout with the Galaxy in the 99 preseason (explained in this link http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SoccerAmerica/2002/sa1522q.pdf ) and while that didn't work out, during it he met Carlos Hermosillo, who was with LA at the time, who arranged a tryout for him in Mexico and he's made a nice career for himself down there (and briefly in Spain).
     
  7. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Carlos Ochoa would have been a quality striker for the US.

    He has had a very productive career in Mexico and had his best years (in his mid-20's) when Arena's squads really struggled with its offensive depth.

    As I had posted in the opener, he does have a green card, so he is a US resident.
     
  8. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a little weak, IMHO. Nunez played for a couple of teams and a number of different coaches -- none of them could get any change out of him over the long term. So, I think casting aspertions on MLS, other than criticizing the style of play, is a bit silly, especially since I don't know if the Honduran league got anything for him. Sitting on the bench in MLS isn't going to earn MLS a big transfer fee.
     
  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Were there any offers? :rolleyes:





    :rolleyes:
     
  10. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    No, but they had an assett and didn't develop it properly. Had they done so, perhaps they could have gotten something for Nunez.
     
  11. ttujosh

    ttujosh Member

    Mar 9, 2003
    Dallas, Tx
    As a Dallas fan, I would disagree with you here. He was given ample opportunity to develop, and he could never be consistent, or a good pro. He had temper tantrums and spouted off to the media a few times, which I doubt any coach would tolerate from an avg player. Stars yes, but not a guy who couldn't string together 3 consistent performances. He had lots of attacking flair, but his decision making and speed seem to hurt him. Plus he supposedly is a bit of a head case. He didn't develop because he wouldn't allow himself to develop, he thought he was good enough to star from day 1.
     
  12. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't see a recent thread anywhere for him... He is at Leeds United now.
     
  13. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    I was watching highlights on FSC+ and saw him starting scoring 2 goals in a game recently.
    MLS rejects are the Championship Stars?
     
  14. Kool Herc

    Kool Herc Member

    Oct 17, 2008
    Dallas
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's not a star, its taken him 12 months to get a chance at starting after going on loan and proving himself in England. He's getting a run now thanks to some ridiculous referee decisions and some international call-ups. He's shown well though from what I've seen, in the game he scored two goals he missed a wide open net as well.
     
  15. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    He's also not American.
     
  16. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    He is a US resident but not a citizen. I am not sure what this means for USMNT... although, somewhere in this thread it states he was playing with the Hungarian Nat Team. So he might be cap-tied already.
     
  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    It means he never was, isn't now, and never will be eligible for the USMNT.

    And like Vedad Ibisevic, Rogelio Funes Mori, etc...............he's not a Yank Abroad.
     
  18. Kool Herc

    Kool Herc Member

    Oct 17, 2008
    Dallas
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That ship has sailed a long time ago, he played in all of Honduras' World Cup games.
     
  19. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    "not a star in the championship" "took him 12 months"

    Due to stubborn coaching, it has taken him 12 months. Everybody at Leeds last season wanted Ramoncito to start...especially after he almost single handedly saved Scunthorpe from relegation and became an idol at the club.

    Hopefully he can contribute to the first team.
     
  20. Kool Herc

    Kool Herc Member

    Oct 17, 2008
    Dallas
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love Ramon, he's one of my favorite players for a number of reasons, but he's not a star in the Championship.

    He could and probably should have been blooded into Leeds earlier than he was but Grayson's track record has always been to loan unproven players out to prove themselves at smaller clubs before giving them a chance.
     
  21. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Look, the guy spent most of his life in the US.

    He is more of an American than half of the kids on the U-17 team.

    And stuff.
     
  22. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    At one point in his career, he wanted to quit playing futbol and focus on going to college at SMU.
     
  23. HouseHead78

    HouseHead78 Member+

    Oct 17, 2006
    Austin, TX
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good player, Nunez. Has a good football brain and a non-stop engine. He should do well in the Mexican league.
     
  24. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    lol he plays for Leeds United...
     
  25. Kool Herc

    Kool Herc Member

    Oct 17, 2008
    Dallas
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ramon is really stating his care to stay in the XI when players return as he just scored his first league goal for Leeds to make it 4-1 against Hull. El Principito [​IMG]

    Got very unlucky apparently as well early on as he hit the underside of the bar and it bounced back out.
     

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