SocLuv is posting hate on all kinds of threads about Eclipse. I think he/she is a Hawk parent. Recruiting huh, let me ask you this, what club doesnt recruit. There is nothing wrong with it!! Players and families have the right to say, thanks but no thanks. Please tell us that the MI Hawks do not recruit?? FC Milwaukee? MN Thunder Academy? The list goes on and on. Why are you so full of hate SocLuv. I think everyone wants to hear some postitive things from you besides all the negative post's. Question, in your mind where is the best place in Region II to get the best development? (Hint, its up in Minnesota, but that is a different thead all together).
I am not hating anyone! i am merely showing the facts--i have backed up everything i have said. i am not saying that clubs dont recruit, but eclipse recruits rather than develops....and they definitley dont deserve the recogniition theyy get. you will ALL see....your disagreeing with me now, but wait until thursday comes around and clevelnad fc destroys the eclispe 16s in natl league....ull see, im right and ps....im NOT a hawks parent, but ur obviously an eclipse mom or dad
Apparently SocHate is new to the game with a lot of jealousy and rage. His soccer IQ ranks even lower than his class. I apologize to those Cleveland FC players that were named and to Carmel FC for unfair analysis. It sounded like SocHate was TJDsoccer in drag and I stooped to her level, my bad. Anyways, trying to get this back to topic. At U16 and above, if a kid hasn't learned the proper technique of a push pass, stepover, bending a ball, etc.- it will be difficult for them to catch up to the level of play from clubs such as Dallas Texans, Carmel FC, SoCal Blues, St Louis FC, Kansas Intensity, Windy City Pride, Sockers, Chicago Magic (who says Illinois is not a hard state to win) and yes, even Michigan Hawks. Usually when you have top quality teams playing one another- skill, insight, athleticism and mental toughness cancel each other out. Look at the recent World Cup results, Men and Women. A high percentage of the goals scored were off set pieces (more than 30% in 1998 World Cup (The Soccer Goalkeeper by Joe Luxbacher, Gene Klein)). A good coach will do everything within his/her means to give his/her team a chance to win including working on set pieces. It would be very refreshing to hear socsocluv say something meaningful on topic and show that maybe she actually does have a soccer IQ rather than Eclipse envy she possesses.
i dont possess any eclipse envy....ur just very biased towards that club...and u should be apologizing to the cfc and carmel teams, bc they do deserve recognition and the girls i mentioned on cleveland along with the other carmel girls are very strong players, and shouldnt be brought down out of jealousy adn hate and i completely disagree with you that it is too late to teach these skills....it is never too late to do so, and it is imperitive that the club coaches be teaching these skills, i dont care what the age, adn eclipse definitley is not doing that
Socsocluv, Just a quick bit of rhetorical advice from someone who has no stake in either side of your argument: Your anti-Eclipse rants on this and other threads are so emotionally overwrought that you lose some credibility points. Tone down the emotion and add in some logic and your case would be stronger. I've heard many other people make the same case you are making against the Eclipse (in a more rational manner), and I do believe that where there's smoke there's usually fire. However, I have also been told that now that the Eclipse is actually branding its teams at the young age groups (U8-U12), as opposed to buying clubs or recruiting whole teams at U13/U14 or so, they are now paying more attention to development and fundamentals training. I don't see how they could do otherwise if they want to continue as a strong club. I don't know where the truth lies, but there's no disputing that it's a formidable club. There's no better way to attract a ton of players and build a huge club/business than to win. So that's what they've done over the last 10 years, and they don't apologize for it. And yes, they have gotten winning teams in a number of non-traditional ways (eg, buying them). From what I've seen in the Chicago area, they are now digging deep into the younger age groups themselves and there's no way they'll continue to be successful unless they focus on development. It may require them to bring in new people who are good at that if they don't have the people on staff who can do it, but that's what they need to do and I think they will. It makes business sense, and that's what will drive them.
WoW, putting a whole youth career into one event? So if Eclipse lose this weekend that makes them not any good? Got it now, thanks for straighting that out for us. So what your saying is, being on a good team is better than individual development? Win Win Win, that is what its all about? Fact, Slammer 17s beat Eclipse last yr in Vegas 2-1, however Slammers didnt win a game at Nationals, which included a beat down by Eclipse on the Slammers. But if you put all your bank on one event, then YOUR the one that is wrong. Why dont you slow down a bit and ask a few college coaches why they recruit Eclipse so hard then. Just look at the in-house club showcase this club held a few months back. They had more scouts there than most major showcases do. Speaks volumes to me. The club recruits itself.
i am in no way saying that the fate of all youth soccer rests in one game--what i am saying is that this game will show that what im saying is truee...the game may not decide the teams, but what im trying to say will be proven right....and it looks like you are trying to make excuses in advance, saying it doesnt matter if cfc does kill eclipse....do u think they are gonna lose too???
I dont know much about the younger teams. sorry. And I really could care less. I can tell you that it does NOT matter who wins this weekend!! Someday you will learn this as well. Right now its not important to win games. But maybe up in Sioux Falls at the Region II Championships will count a bit more. The staff at Eclipse knows how to get a team to peak at what time. And with Ctown teams not being able to train outdoors like others around the US right now, I would guess that Eclipse isnt going to be peaking at this event. But hey, Iv been wrong before.
Sorry not to have responded to this before, I'm not really following this thread closely enough, I suppose. Tell me this, what do you mean by 'dominate'? There are some pretty good teams in National League. I would expect to see most of the teams win a few, lose a few and draw a few. Domination may arrive, but it won't be from the North.
Love that confidence SoCalBluesSun. You do have a very nice team! Unfortunately, we will be playing you and Slammers this coming weekend. Hoping for some good cold North weather to invade NC, just for those games though. Freeze that speed! Any predictions on how the U16-G league will play out? I'll start: Rank Team Record (W-L-T) Points 1st- SoCal Blues- 5-0-2 17 2nd- Slammers- 4-1-2 14 3rd- Eclipse- 3-1-3 12 4th- Texans (defending National Champions)- 3-1-3 12 5th- Scorpions- 3-3-1 10 6th- Cleveland- 1-5-1 4 7th- Montclair- 1-5-1 4 8th- Boca 1-5-1 4
Please let us know who wins the epic CFC/Eclipse battle later today. Since the fate of the universe is at stake, I'd like a full and complete report.
definitely agree.....like a said, smigel (12) is a great player....and everything i have said has been proven right....cfc dominated and should have won the game...eclipse did absolutely nothing but foul all over the place--a very dirty team--and they only booted the ball up field, trying to get it over the back four. they only had two girls on that whole team that i was impressed with; one fast girl in the back line that did a pretty good job of stopping smigel, and one tall girl in the middle, great in the air. ive seen cfc play eclipse twice now, once at regionals and now here, and both times things have been exactly the same. they have only scored on corner kicks, and they focus almost entirely on that. cfc obviously has figured this out becasue on every free kick/corner kick, they had 2 or 3 girls marking up on that eclipse girl. i am 99% sure she is the one that scored in the regional game, adn she was the only dangerous girl on eclipse today....they literally would boot the ball up field and try to get a corner. that is the only way they were able to be dangerous, but a strong cfc defense stopped them. that mid fielder from eclipse had two, maybe three chances that she put on net (all out of the air), but nobody else on the team wanted anything to do with it, and the cleveland girls were able to get it out. other than those chances, i was not impressed with eclipse at all. i would say that if cfc plays eclipse again--i dont know when the next matchup is--but when they play them, as long as they can deal with the eclipse girl on corners and free kicks, they should have no problem....like i said, they are a team to watch
This is making lemonade, I think. Obviously they weren't dominant enough. Remember, this (CFC) was the team that was to dominate the tournament, not just Eclipse. Not a good start. On a more personal note, you really ought to try to cool your desire to name names, a complete no-no on these boards. Yes, even complements. Your constant attacks on Eclipse are over the top. What's dangerous about it is it belittles the players, therefore hurtful and cruel. Try to be constructive with the comments or just shut up. If you can't say something nice, say nothing at all. I hate to play this card, but these are still girls, they don''t need your negativity, especially if your observations of the Eclipse training methods are correct.
You must've not been at the game. Eclipse came out strong and dominated play for the first 15 minutes of the game. Several goal scoring opportunities during regular play (non set pieces). 2nd 15 minutes was 50/50. 3rd 15 minutes CFC scored the only way they have vs Eclipse, counterattack, ball to #12, who goes 1v1 with the defender, knocks the defender to the ground (should have been a call) before slotting a nice shot past the GK. Rest of the half, Eclipse shut down offensively but CFC managed little. Beginning of 2nd Half, Eclipse dominated with several goal scoring opportunities off regular play and earning about a dozen corner kicks. (How many did CFC have? I remember 1 the entire game). Finally scored a beautiful goal from a corner kick after GK made stunning saves from point blank header that she couldn't hold on. For some reason, Eclipse lets up after scoring and game finishes 1-1. CFC only had one other good goal scoring opportunity in the 2nd half with a cross that Eclipse GK doesn't collect, goes past Eclipse defender, past CFC offender and collected past the far post by Eclipse for a clearance. You're right that Eclipse was called for a lot of fouls and they always will, Eclipse coach does not endure himself to any referee crew. But Eclipse CMF who even you said is great in the air, was unfairly targeted by CR and even carded. CFC took advantage of that and CFC CMF hacked the heck out of Eclipse CMF at will after the card and nery a call. All Eclipse (or any other team) has to do is guard #12 from scoring counterattacking goals and you will earn a clean sheet. Eclipse by far had more goal scoring opportunities, higher percentage of ball possession, and in their final 1/3 more than CFC. How you conclude that CFC dominated?, your credibility is cr.. You are the same person who said that Carmel United dominated Eclipse at semifinals of Regionals in Region 2, Summer 2007...
Wow, this thread changed directions - to get back to topic, I agree with those who say a competitive program is essential for continued growth. If you child is like mine, a fierce competitor, then teammates which aren't equally committed will drive her bananas over time.
She did go bananas. By the end of the season she had lost some of her desire to play. That tells me it's time to change things up, and we're in the process of switching to a more competitive program now. It's rare to change between fall and spring, but the DoC at her club is aware of the situation and supportive of the move. We appreciate his willingness to release her. Many clubs wouldn't.
ok...i definitely was at the game,and eclipse cmf was never unfairly carded...she got a card for taking out cfc cmf in a slide taclke, and even tho 12 is a great player, cfc will definitely still be able to beat eclipse without her, unlike eclipse, who would be lost without their cmf
Well, the CASL tournament, with National League is over. I don't know who exactly "dominated". Probably no one, all eight teams were good, probably deserved to be chosen for the tournament. Certainly the "southern" teams (SoCal and NTexas) more than held their own, while the cold weather teams came up a little short. See you in Las Vegas!
Eclipse was in a pretty tight bracket. All 6 games in this bracket were either ties or 1 goal wins. Now Eclipse meets PDA. If they get through that game, there will be one of two other Region 1 teams waiting for them in the finals.