Ecuador-Chile WCQ Oct.12th

Discussion in 'Ecuador' started by JAIME CHILE, Sep 11, 2008.

  1. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I couldn't agree more, excellent points
     
  2. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    By the way....finally a header goal right?
     
  3. betto

    betto New Member

    Mar 31, 2005
    Cary, NC
    oh damn! I told my friends the same thing after watching the goal!
     
  4. Emelectric15

    Emelectric15 Member

    Emelec, LA Galaxy
    Ecuador
    Mar 13, 2005
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    this was a tough game I am just glad we won 3 points are 3 points and at this point that's all that matters... now we must play a hell of a game in Venezuela and show the same motivation to get 3 more... hopefully Vizuete will stay with stay with offensive approach and keep Elizaga in goal, he's saved our ass again and is better then Cevallos.
     
  5. damnecuadorian

    Mar 11, 2007
    SF & NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    :D:D

    on second thought.. he'd be back 100% if he kept his effing shirt on.
     
  6. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    Thoughts:

    1. What a game. That's what it's all about. It was a real battle.

    2. I think Benitez answered the skeptics. He pulled a "Tin", scoring on a header to break a 0-0 tie. Plus he was dangerous and incisive all game with his dribbling and pace.

    3. Caicedo and Guerron disappointed badly. Let's hope it was the rain, they need to show up on Wednesday, especially with Benitez and Valencia not being available.

    4. Bolan~os was a menace when he came in. I am finding it difficult to justify not starting him. He forces the defense to stretch out wide to cover him on the left, which opens up space for us to attack in the middle.

    5. I think we also need to find a starting spot for Urrutia. He is an all-round performer on offense and defense.

    6. The rain in Quito is killing me! Is it just me, or does the combination of rain and altitude make every shot fly up and away? I really think the rain favors the team that is countering, not the team trying to maintain possession and find spaces.
     
  7. lafuga

    lafuga Member

    May 28, 2007
    The rain and speed of the ball in Quito is definitely an issue, but I noticed things yesterday that indicated the squad was training for the rain/altura effect. All prior games, especially, Venezuela and Colombia, were full of lost balls and lofty crosses that had way too much zip on them. I attended these in person and you can really see how our boys were out of sorts thinking they could get to balls that then just scooted by. The defense also seemed very shaky in prior matches about balls that skipped and scooted.

    Yesterday, we seemed to have a better handle on the conditions and adjusted well. Overall, I noticed, shorter spaces and a bit less lead on longer passes. Valencia and Guerron noticeably took some of the gas off some of their crosses and shots (and they were still missiles, particularly Valencia's). I think the positioning on the corner goal was also well played ... loft one to the middle, position men on the second post, and wait for the ball to sail over everyone. Worked beautifully. I also think our defense has grown accustomed to playing in Quito again. Chile was disappointing on offense, but we played very compact and assured ... like locals should.

    Now that the bulk of our squad isn't used to the altitude of Quito, the lasting legacy of the "altura effect" may be less about losing your wind and simply knowing how to adjust for field, ball rotation, and speed conditions.
     
  8. betto

    betto New Member

    Mar 31, 2005
    Cary, NC
    I know! what really surprised me is that the commentators never mentioned anything about the rain during the whole game!

    It was a battle, and there was a lot of lack of precision in the passes because of it, and there were some balls that Guerron would have easily taken advantage of but could not reach cause of the field being so fast!
     
  9. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Yeah, at the middle of the second half...

    Anyways, good game, cant say we deserved to win.

    BL against Venezuela:)
     
  10. betto

    betto New Member

    Mar 31, 2005
    Cary, NC
    Hey man, Thanks for posting here and being honest and respectful on all your post.
    I want to make an observation about the subs that came in during the game.
    Chile make theirs way too fast. By the time Valencia got red carded, all the subs for Chile were already made, Fernandez and Suazo were out already and Chile had no way to find spaces up front- Your offense was dead and no options to revive them because you were out of subs!
    I think Vizuete out-coached Bielsa here. Vizuete's subs were right on the money. When Castillo got out (He was hurt) and Urrutia came in, Ecuador was handling the ball better. Then Bolan~os came in and we got a lot more spaces and pass-options. Then he put Hidalgo in to close the game in the midfield. GOOD JOB Coach Vizuete!!
     
  11. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Well...I dont think Vizuete coached better, because lets be honest, Fuente's red card in the middle of the 1st screwed all of the tactics and plans. Which is why he had to make changes. Playing with 10 players in the altitude kills any team physically, even the big teams.Also, the altitude completely destroyed Mark Gonzalez, he is defined in Spain as having lots of stamina and speed and in Quito he couldnt even walk.

    I always said before the qualifiers begun,for Chile, who goes to the world cup will be defined in the home game vs Uruguay, Colombia and Ecuador.
     
  12. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    In regards to Bielsa's rushing his subs (specially the ones in the 2nd half), that is probably the only one thing I don't like about his style of coaching: his decisions when it comes to subs. More often than not, he doesn't make subs or like yesterday, he uses them too early. His only one flaw. :D
     
  13. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    I seriously don't think the altitude can be used as a serious defense anymore. If you look at Ecuador's starting lineup yesterday, only 2 players - Ayovi and Ambrossi - play in Quito. The rest are mostly from Europe, Mexico, and Guayaquil. Acclimation to altitude is only useful when you are actively playing there, so even someone like Guerron who left Quito in June at this point probably has no advantage (which was painfully obvious yesterday as he performed very poorly).

    A bigger factor is that chasing the ball makes you more tired than passing it around. When a team is passing the ball around to each other, they play it to each other's feet. But when you're trying to chase them around and defend, you are constantly running around to avoid leaving a man open.

    That's why I think a smart tactic would be for a team to come to Quito and play a 4-5-1 to clog the midfield, move the ball around a lot and play keepaway. Especially with Mendez gone, Chile could have controlled the midfield more. But instead, Bielsa wanted to play attacking with 3 forwards and pushing up all their lines. So as a result, Guerron, one of our speedy guys on the wings, ran away and Fuentes got the red card because he was caught upfield. After that Chile had no choice but to defend with 10 players and got really tired as a result.

    This all makes me wonder if Vizuete ("Bielsa has not won anything") and Benitez ("Chile has a weak attack") controversial comments before the game were partially intended to provoke Bielsa into playing an attacking strategy, which is probably the worst thing to do.
     
  14. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Sure, it affects all but Ecuador had more time to get used to the alt. And its no coincidence that the players happen to be dead tired in this game.
    and chile would never play a 4-5-1 , weve always used the 3-3-1-3. And to say that is wasnt gonna work is unknown cause of the red card, Nobody knows if it would have worked or not,
     
  15. Caturro

    Caturro Member

    Aug 3, 2004
    Chile
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Chile was going to attempt to play on the attack regardless of the comments... if one whole country can't make Bielsa change his tactics, a few comments before a game won't do it either (would be rather childish if they did).

    The red card changed the game. Fuentes just made horrible decisions overall... you can't do that when you have a ref like Vasquez on the field. Then Bielsa made some horrible subs... and the game ended. He mentioned this in the press conference... renouncing to attack after the red card made winning the game impossible. If it wasn't for Bravo's mistake in that corner we'd probably be applauding his decision... but that's futbol for you.
     
  16. Ecuador918

    Ecuador918 New Member

    Oct 13, 2008
    is it me or dus it seem like ecuador have a hard time playing in the rain???...it was a sloppy game in the in the 1st half (dunno how caicedo missed in da 5th min) but in da 2nd half it was all ecuador ...caicedo didnt have a good game benitez did but his only problem his he holds on the ball for to long..he trys to take on every1 on his own and doesnt pass the ball
     
  17. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Everyone has a hard time playing in the rain. Ecuador just seems to be making more errors becuase thet had the ball most of the time.
     
  18. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I for one am completely convinced that Bolanos should be a sub, simply because he is a tempo-changing guy, he is the kinda player that forces opponents to change their already-made playbook, he is like our new Salas (remember he rarely started for the NT)
     
  19. loraz

    loraz New Member

    May 12, 2005
    Wow, I finally get a chance to post.

    I knew this game was going to be a hard battle. Was there tension when Urrutia got called in?

    What players are up for tonight's game?
     
  20. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    After watching this game a 2nd time last night, I have to take back what I said about Guerron. He played a solid game. His speed caused the red card, and as Loraz stated, opposing defenses are required to stay back to deal with his speed.

    What I found interesting was that Guerron actually moved around a lot, towards the center and even left side of the field on several occasions. This is why I kept confusing him for Ayovi or DeJesus. I see that Vizuete is giving Guerron more freedom than Liga or Getafe, and despite the rain he was still able to generate a lot of danger.
     
  21. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I must say your avatar disturbs me!!!! :D
     
  22. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    I didn't comb my hair that day.

    J/K that's not me (thankfully).
     

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