Gold Medal Match: USA-Brazil [R]

Discussion in 'Knockout Rounds' started by Bonnie Lass, Aug 18, 2008.

  1. Romario'sgurl

    Romario'sgurl Member+

    Wakanda FC
    Aug 26, 2000
    Wakanda
    Club:
    FC Ingolstadt 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    The freaky thing is that the Brazilian fed hasn't allocated that much to the women's game, yet the girls go and play the way they do. Imagine if they could get paid to stay in residency and train for nothing but football! :eek:
     
  2. Tsunami

    Tsunami Member

    Oct 16, 2000
    SD, CA
    Club:
    Arsenal LFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. Borussia

    Borussia Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    Fürth near Nuremberg
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    That's pretty boring, isn't it? ;)

    Nevertheless, congrats to the US girls on winning Olympic Gold again! Good job.
     
  5. StarCityFan

    StarCityFan BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 2, 2001
    Greenbelt, MD
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You assume correctly. I only started following women's soccer during the later stages of the 1999 WWC.
     
  6. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mia Hamm scored more goals than anybody in history. But one thing I remember that Mia was critizised for is that she rarely scored the big goal in the big games.
     
  7. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    But Mia was a goal creator not a true goal scorer - although she scored a ton of goals.
     
  8. fishon

    fishon Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    What happened to the technical abilities of the US players? Seems like they have gone backwards? Just the simple things, short passes, receiving the ball are not good...........Brazil was much more soccer savvy, more technical and used their bodies well when in possession.
     
  9. noorwell

    noorwell Member

    Sep 15, 2003
    brooklyn,ny
    I like that!!! Solo is a Strong individualistic woman not a homie..
    The reason some fans talk a lot of put down about Solo is because she march to her own drummer, and they are just lemmings marching to the pipe piper.... the envy... I know I make alot of enermies on these board, but I like to call it as I see it...
     
  10. ASublimePass

    ASublimePass Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marching to your own drummer is fine (I have an athlete on my team who is a drummer and marches to herself!) but if you are on a team then the team comes first. Hope didn't put the team first and that is why people were unhappy with her.
     
  11. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I was going nuts watching them revert back to the long-ball strategy.
     
  12. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like she's going to go postal on somebody.

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  14. marush

    marush Member

    Aug 17, 2008
    I think, the cup was a little bit like WC07.07 the USA played bad and in Semi 0:4 against Brasil and in final Germany wins against Brasil 2:0. And in Olympic, germany played badly and loss 1:4 agaist Brasil in Semi and in final the USA wins 1:0 against Brasil.
     
  15. Mengao81

    Mengao81 New Member

    Apr 5, 2006
    As a youth soccer coach in the U.S., I would seriously urge the people connected to soccer in this country to rethink the approach of developing players.

    People in this forum like to mention how dominat the U.S. and Germany have been, how this how that....but when you consider that Women's soccer is so underdeveloped accross the world, specially compared to the men's game, you'd expect the countries that are commited to the women's game (U.S., Germany) to be dominant.

    So, Although Brazil a soccer nation, these ladies must have gone through hell and back in order to make it to this position...they proably lacked all the infrastructure, coaching, money that the girls have available here in the U.S.... but, Brazil still managed to create skilfull and creative players like Marta and Christiane...and don't tell me that the U.S. has a player of that calliber, because you would be making a fool out of yourself. I saw Mia Hamm at the 99 WC etc, but she was no Marta.

    From a soccer perspective, the U.S. is too reliant on physical ability vs soccer ability, and if this is not fixed soon....well, you might have to rely, just like in this gold metal game, in the Anti-football tactics (Anti-Jogo).... I'm sure that this will be wonderful for the future of the game (being sarcastic here)...
     
  16. Untroubled by Reason

    Dec 5, 2007
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And as a soccer coach, one would think you, of all people, would appreciate the job that Pia Sundhage did in assembling a team that may not have had the best individual players, but did in the end have the best team. As far as "anti-football" I always look at such judgements with a jaundiced eye. It's easy to say "we played better, prettier, held the ball better, had better skill...." Those are things you say to your youth team when they lose.

    At this level, results matter.
     
  17. noorwell

    noorwell Member

    Sep 15, 2003
    brooklyn,ny
    Don't worry untroubled by reason!!! there are alot buffoon on these threads who like to think they know it all and have insight in human character.. I say it like I see it, yet they are some who prefare to follow the crowd.. it the herd instinct... I could be wrong at time but I am not superficial......
     
  18. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    thats a load of crap, and I will say why: because US risked being defeated the entire match. You certainly got lucky. And Brazil didnt even played well.

    Well, what the hell am I saying??? Keep thinking like you do. All of US. It will just be better for the brazilian team if you keep thinking that playing badly and getting lucky is what matters.
     
  19. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    maybe the brazilian women team will go down in history like Hollands 1974 team or Hungary 1954 with Puskas.
     
  20. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    even worse, as they were unable to score goals, they started losing focus and soon the defense started making terrible mistakes, including wrong passes that ended up setting incredible scoring opportunities for the americans, better than any scoring opportunity americans created for themselves.


    the problem is psychological with the brazilians. The CBF or COB (brazilian olympic comitee) needs to set up a team of psychologists to work with the girls.
     
  21. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    One word: multiquote :rolleyes:


    yes, because that Marta is one pent-up crazy bitch.
     
  22. winster

    winster Member

    Jul 7, 2008
    Club:
    Besiktas JK
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No kidding. The US probably did have more of those skills a decade ago, but I think the real issue is that the American women's game (not unlike the men's game here in the US) has grown too reliant on physicallity in stead of possesion. I believe this was true as much in the 90s as it is today. I remember in the '99 World Cup watching in person the US play North Korea. I only really remember it because I managed to get there like an hour early and I am still surprised by how North Korea warmed up. I know individual warm-ups obviously have little affect on a game, but North Korea genuinely looked better than us warming up, not only skill wise but organizationally. They hung with the US through the first half, and I am certain that had they been athletically equal to the Americans they could have won.

    Now that other countries have developed true women's talent, the US will have to adapt to these new realities if they intend to keep up with Germany, Brazil and even other countries.

    Fortunately we have demonstrated that we can at least play rudimentary passing soccer. I thought we were going in the right direction when Pia came in and started stressing a possession game. We at least looked decent and were putting up good results, but all it took was Wambach getting hurt and we were back to playing kickball again. Either that speeks to a complete lack of ball skills by the rest of the team (unlikely seeing how Wambach is the equivilant of a seven footer in basketball), or it shows that our women are way to used to playing this way and revert to this style whenever they face a little adversity. If this is the case then we have an institutional problem not a player problem.

    I don't think USA soccer is necesarily screwed after all we have by far the best developmental system in the world. After all unlike our men's side the women remain among the best in the world. But honestly, the way the US played in the past World Cup and Olympics looked no different than a high school boys game. This can only be changed if our girls learn from a young age how to play the game more professionaly and if our coaches consistantly stress team play a la EPL and la Liga, and not a la Bend it like Beckham meets LA Galaxy.
     
  23. Romario'sgurl

    Romario'sgurl Member+

    Wakanda FC
    Aug 26, 2000
    Wakanda
    Club:
    FC Ingolstadt 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    I completely agree..it was purely mental. As the match got on, they got way too impatient as well. In the end, they were fatigued by their own frustration. It's still amazing what these ladies can do with nothing.

    I just hope they can continue to compete and eventually win a title.
     
  24. nsa

    nsa Member+

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Feb 22, 1999
    Notboston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dive like a Brasilian


    With apologies to the Bangles. ;)
     
  25. RugbyPlayer

    RugbyPlayer New Member

    Aug 25, 2008
    1) watch this video and you'll soon see that Mia Hamm was ALWAYS double and triple teamed but still managed to score
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6AFo4eDJTQ&feature=related

    not to mention that she can nail free kicks just as good if not better than Ronaldhino

    Outside of the box marta is virtually no threat, she rarely if ever shoots from outside of the box and is even a remote threat on goal. Mia Hamm was a just as much of a threat outside the box as in. In fact many of her highlight goals are extremely similar to many of Marta's. Her long distance shots are much more spectacular than anything marta has produced from outside the 18 yard line.

    2) Mia Hamm was the youngest player to ever have an international appearance at age 15 (marta was 17)

    3) Mia Hamm won her first world cup medal at the age of 19 (Marta has yet to win a medal at the age of 22)

    4) Hamm has the record for most goals scored men and women

    5) Hamm was one of the top assisters to the USWNT

    see a pattern here?

    As of now, Mia Hamm has been the single most spectacular thing that has happened to womens soccer, you can not argue that in any way
     

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