The rest of the league has been around longer than one and a half seasons. Mo basically brought in half of our current players this season. Here's the list of TFC salaries: http://torontofcblog.com/2008/04/06/tfc-salaries/ It doesn't include Robert, Ricketts or Guevara, but I'd say only Cunningham is overpaid, but that amount was agreed to before he began playing for TFC. Only thing you could fault Mo for is the lack of a quality striker, but given the number of players who have been linked with TFC and have gone elsewhere, it's pretty clear he's trying and for various reasons the players arent coming (the turf being a big one).
Again I ask, do you play the game? Your anger is misguided and should be directed towards the CSF not a player.
Agreed, but is it his fault if no one wishes to come to TFC? The turf is deffinetly a contributing factor but I think the bigger issue is how the MLS is percieved by the rest of the football community. It is a league where players go to retire.
Who the hell is the CSF? The Canadian Snowboard Federation? If the Whore is blaming the CSA on his decision than he is a petty little primadona, which wouldn't surprise me at all. As for whether I play, that is immaterial to the debate. But if it really matters to you I played House league when I was younger and play the occasional pick up game with friends today. Really, if you are trying to imply that I don't deserve to have an opinion on the Whore because I never played professionally than that just makes you out to be a pompous ass. If that was a prerequisite to have an opinion on this site than 99% of us wouldn't even be allowed to post here. Feel free to keep this 'pointless' debate going.....
Again with the fat accusations? You know, this hatred of fat people must come from something you see in yourself. If you lost some weight, I'm sure it would help with this problem of yours.
Didn't you get the email from the Big Soccer staff? If your Body Mass Index is too high you aren't allowed to post here.
I ask whether you play or not in an attempt to understand your position on several football matters I.E West Ham, Mo, Haregreaves It appears you are simply another out of touch, unqualified Canadian wanker. The kind that cut Owen from the youth team. The kind that cut him from the provincial team. The Canadian Soccer Assocation have a history of being terrible judges of talent. The CSA forced Owen to find another alternative for growth and thank god he chose his Father's homeland. Instead of slamming Owen and calling him a whore?? (Owen did not choose to play for England for the money) you should be slamming the CSA. You should asking how did they allow him to get away? Why was he cut from provincial & national team? What is wrong with the powers that be at the CSA? I assume since you indicate you follow Serie A and support several Italian teams (something that I find puzzling) that you are from Italian ancestory. How many Italians,Poles, Croats, Portuguese, Brit's have also left Canada to pursue careers in their families native countries? The reason being the CSA and structure here in Canada is currently a joke. The fact the Owen Hargreaves Was voted European U21 player of the year! Has played in two World Cups by the age of 25! Was nemed 'man of the match' by the FIFA technical committee in a World Cup quarter final game! Has won 4 German Championships, three German Cups,the Premiership and two UEFA Champions League title! shows how messed up the CSA and it's coaches are. I have friedns that are currently with the CSA and they understand and support Owen. If you really want to contribute to growth of Canadian soccer than you should look at how the CSA needs to increase funding for the Senior & Junior Devolpment programs. I am not sure how long you have followed the game but you have alot to learn about it. Good Luck!!
*laughs* So why is busbyboy here? Nothing in that long ass replay we didn't already know. The point is, he had a choice between Canada and England. Choosing England because he got cut by his provincial coach is pretty childish.
lol, again Macksam you demonstrate your ignorance to the game. A player only has a limited time to make an impact on the game. He needed to make a decision very quickly after being cut. He wanted to continue to develop as a player and chose an assocation that wanted him. Would you want to work with an organization that had (twice) prevously indicated you were not good enough or an organization (The F.A) that realized your potential and wanted you??? As for calling me fat, I would more than willing to discuss this with you in person at the next TFC game. I sit in section 114 and would love it if you joined me!!!!
Please fill me in as per what I'm missing with the West Ham situation since you are so much smarter than me. I look at their situation as a neutral who follows the EPL because its fun to watch. I have no biases because I have no team in England that I root for. And its pretty clear to me that West Ham were not properly punished. But since you are the smartest person on earth, please help me understand how they didn't get a slap on the wrist. Thank you. As for Mo, I'm surprised there is anyone left who thinks he is doing a good job. The transfer window closes in about 8 days and it looks like we'll be lucky if TFC makes any moves. And TFC needs to fix more than just its striker position. I'll admit, if something does happen I will give Mo respect, but I'm not holding my breath. Sorry, this excuse doesn't wash. Lots of great athletes got cut when they were younger. There was a good 5 years between when the Whore was cut from that U-17 team and when those bastards from England chose him. If Whoregreaves had any class he wouldn't have jerked Canadian soccer fans around and went on national TV and told Gerry Dobson on SoccerCentral that he would play for Canada. Can you at least admit that Whoregreaves is a liar? Or is that too much to ask of you, oh great one? Big deal. He still turned his back on his country. He could have still won all those club trophies and still had class and represented Canada. Damn Whore. I have to laugh at a glory-hunting ManUre fan trying to attack me for how I support more than one club in Italy. Don't talk about crap that you know nothing about. Toronto FC is my number one team. Lazio is second. Those other teams I hope do well are all in lower divisions. But what do you know. Its easy to be a gloryhunting ManUre fan, isn't it? The thing I hate the most about Whoregreaves apologists is the constant use of misinformation. You make it sound like he had one week to decide to chose England after being cut by the U-17 team. That wasn't the case at all. If you're going to defend that classless bastard at least don't make shit up.
I'm sorry if I'm a horrible Canadian - but if I was a pro soccer player and had the chance to play for Canada or England at international level, and England selected me....I'd go for England any day. As a pro player you want to play at the highest level possible, and Canada has no real chance of ever getting to the World Cup, and you could essentually play for England at several world/European tournaments in your career....its a no brainer, you play for England. If that warrents Owen being called childish names...then fine...but I don't blame Owen one bit for his decision.
As long as Canadians have this mentality we will never be able to get anywhere internationally. Its a shame that you think this way.
I guess with soccer its true. If it were, say, international hockey....would you pick England or Canada to play for if you had equal opportunity to play for both?.....I think that's an easy one....
Sorry, but I can't stand this mentality. I recall Paul Stalteri's wife coming out and attacking people who treat Canada like this. If Canada is good enough to be the nation you cheer for in hockey it should be the same in soccer. But I guess the world is full of Whores.
I'm just trying to look at it at another perspective. I think my arguement is better than "Owen is Whore"! I think Owen made a good decision. If you want to call somebody a whore, call Greg Rusetski a whore! At least Owen made a decision and stuck to it! I personally don't see anything unprofessional about what he has done?!
Let me get this strait, you hate West Ham because you feel they cheated when they acquired the rights to Tevez....yet you support Lazio a team that was involved in one of the biggest Football scandals in the history of the game. (If that's not the kettle calling the pot black). West Ham did not cheat!! They failed to advise the Premiership that they had entered into a third party contract with the investment company that owned the rights to Tevez. This failure to report the arrangement broke rule 18. West Ham did not receive an unfair advantage and their was never a question of this. In subsequent reviews by the F.A it was noted that the club did not cheat but simply failed to accuratly report how they obtained the rights to Tevez. It should be noted that in South America these kind of agreements are common and thus the EPL and F.A have since changed their postion with respect to these kind of contracts. As for calling me a glory seeker I have supported Man U since birth and have always and will always support them. The MLS is mildy entertaining and thus me & my mates have season tickets and attend games. In addition, some friend of ours played for TFC during their first season. As for Hargreaves, would you seek to have a relationship with someone who deemed you unworthy? Or would rather pursue a relationship full of more promise and with someone who respects you? Hargreaves made a decision, a good one at that, to go where he was wanted. You are very childish in your opinion and god help us if the rest of the so called Canadian fans are like you. In addition, I am friends with several individuals currently involved in the Canada setup and can tell you if they had the option to play elswhere they would. You should try speaking to some of them and get their opinions. The CSA needs a major overhall and until that ocurrs we will continue to lose talented players like Hargreaves and De Guzman. I know if my children ever get the chance to play at that level I will encourage them to play for England!!
Thank god people are starting to realize what a knob Nardick is!!! He knows nothing about Football and is blinded by his misguided patrotism!!
Agreed. I hate these sellouts and glory hunters. I would play for Canada over England, Brazil, Italy or any other nation.
T-Boy it is useless arguing with this individual! He knows very little about the sport and resorts to childish name calling. Most likely he was/is the overweight kid in school who was always picked last.
You're right, it's easy. If I had a choice to play for the best team at a sport, or Canada, I'd choose Canada. Hockey: Canada Soccer: Canada Baseball: Canada Basketball: Canada American Football: Canada Rugby: Canada Curling: Canada Wrestling: Canada Water Polo: Canada Cricket: Canada Three-legged races: Canada Doesn't matter. If I were from Slovenia, and I was offered a chance to play with Canada, Russia, Sweden, Finland, the Czech Republic, the Slovaks or the US, I'd go with...Slovenia! I was born in Canada, I am Canadian. I grew up Canadian. If Hargreaves grew up differently, why did he try to play for Canadian teams?
Hargreaves has spent most if life living in Europe. All of his siblings and both his parents were born in the U.K. Since the age of 15 he has lived abroad. What you are not taking into acount is how the CSA treated him. This was no doubt one of the contributing factors that led to him playing for England.
Working for a company and representing the the only country I know and love are two different things. I am also going to show you how flawed your arguement truly was right now. If Owen Hargreaves wanted to work for an organization that realized his potential and wanted him, how come he didn't stay with Bayern? I'm sorry but he showed his true colours when he basically forced his exit on to United. So much for the organization that realized his potential and wanted him. In the end, all he did to repay Bayern was use them as a spring board to land at a so called "bigger" club. I'm not calling you fat. I remember you called me fat in a previous thread, and you called narduch fat. I'm just using basic psychology here as the reason you're calling us fat is to cover up some sort of self-hatred you see in yourself. What do you mean Canada has no real chance of ever getting to the world cup? The team we have right now is the best one to date. If Trinidad and Jamaica can make the world cup, Canada can do it easily. Saying we have no realistic chance makes you look like an idiot, and a Eurosnob Here here.
If West Ham were innocent why were they fined? The got away with murder. I don't know why you are even defending them. I don't know why you are bringing up Lazio. They were actually punished for their actions and received a points deduction. Also, they only thing they were found guilty of was calling the referee delegator to whine about the referee selections, which is against the rules in Italy. And they WERE punished for it. The only major guilty party was Juventus. They were found to be running what ammounted to a referee syndicate. All the other clubs were caught doing very minor things. And Juve were properly punished with relegation. If Juve was an EPL team they probably would have only received a lame-ass fine. Of course Fiorentina was the only team in the scandal that really got away with murder. They should have been relegated but survived. Of course, I actually followed the situation. I do find it ironic that you are indignant about Lazio's involvement but you see no wrong in West Ham's case. This just shows me how full of crap you are and how little you know of either the Italian case or the West Ham case. West Ham have put the EPL in disrepute. I'm sorry, but that's a truth.