USA v. Japan post-game thread cont. (R)

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by BuffloSoldier, Aug 7, 2008.

  1. dcole

    dcole Member+

    May 27, 2005
    Good catch (assuming this is true). Thanks!
     
  2. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, it's a long discussion involving the history of the USMNT and what exactly makes up a good counterattacking team. I'll try to keep it short. I guess IMO good counterattacking teams generally play that style becuase they don't have possession style players, but they DO have speed.

    I believe this team has both, and would also say if you can play both stick with a possession style game and use the counter attack only in circumstances where it is obviously called for.

    Benny, Adu, Altidore, Rogers, Kljestan, and Holden are all capable of losing/beating a defender and connecting a pass. They each have their tricks, play well in tight spaces, and can go 1 v 1.

    Yes Rogers, Davies, and Wynne have incredible speed and that should be used when called for, but why long ball it or soak up pressure waiting for the counter while making yourself exhausted when you can take the game to the other team?

    I think this crop of young players will turn what is still a counterattack oriented USMNT into a possession style one over the next two WC cycles.
     
  3. studzup

    studzup New Member

    Nov 11, 2007
    Winthrop;Kinsale,IRE
    What do Balboa and Kljestan have in common? Sorry haircuts.
     
  4. LJSoccer

    LJSoccer Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    Lake Jackson TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stuart Holden MOTM, he played from side to side, box to box, 100% when he was in there and scored. I hope his goal is not the only one of the tournament for the US.
     
  5. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    :confused:

    I dont even know why I responded to your post... maybe you were the one drinking...

    I dont think Edu was as bad as everyone wants to think he was the last 15 mins... sans for letting the ball bounce in front of him, he didnt put a foot in wrong... and the pk shouts were clear dives...

    as for Wynne... his attacking play was poor for the most part... and instead of linking up and helping Holden, he bombs the ball out or forward... he did help create one goal, and I give him credit... I just wished he tried to do that more... instead he doesnt...

    im happy for the win, but im VERY concerned about the next match because of the play of the fullbacks
     
  6. narko

    narko New Member

    Jul 16, 2007
    North Carolina
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Half of Japan's really good attacks were way offside.
     
  7. sregis

    sregis Member

    Nov 5, 1999
    Hoboken, USA
    toothless, weak win. i thought we looked slow and tentative. fortunately, japan looked even more inept. perhaps what to expect w/ a first game.
     
  8. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Holden did play well and I didn't realize his contribution to build-up to his goal until I saw the replay a few minutes ago. He started the play, continued to make his run, and finally finished it off with a goal. He grows on me everytime I see him play. His play the last two season in Houston and with the youth Nats shows he has a promising career. I could see him heading across the pond in the near future, maybe next summer. With that said, what I liked today was his tackles. He had several well timed and well executed tackles in the midfield and into our defensive third on the pitch.
     
  9. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone needs to send a memo to these refs : When Jozy Altidore is in the process of Rigginsing yet another defender, play the freaking advantage and not the foul. Thank you.
     
  10. zerkdave

    zerkdave Member

    Mar 4, 2005
    Arlington, VA
    Here my .03 cents -- we coulda lost or tied that game easily. Glad we made it through:
    1. McBain: 7 drew tons of fouls in semi-dangerous areas, but was of NO consequence in the box. I am sticking that he is a great American player, but not a real fit with this team. Hopefully, he will prove wrong.
    2. Adu: 6 is not a back to the run of play type guy. Withdraw the ole boy a bit
    3. Bradley: 6.5 Played an alright game and passed well. Disrupted up the middle
    4. Klestjan: 5 He had some bad passes alright, but did anticipate a couple of plays very well and he played one of the best defensive games I have seen HIM play
    5. Holden: 7 Started boring, but after the goal exploded with confidence and some skill. I was starting to get mad at Nowak, whom I thought might be trying tame the feller.
    6. Rogers: 6.5 Deadly and causes havoc when he can get the ball going forward. Did not play a good game defensively -- which is strange. U-20s he was a beast.
    7. Wynne (motm): 9 I have been saying that he will be the best American back since the U-17s. Why? He is of a pro baseball pedigree and world class track and thus inclined to pay attention to the small details and repetition training. At first he was raw, but I knew he would train hard to get better. Europe clubs, I guarantee, are frothing at the mouth. They are gonna go back and look at tape and see that he shut-up a young Messi too. When he arse stomps Babel -- bye bye across the pond. Which might be a good thing, b/c he will only improve. Now to the game. He got caught once or twice, but I saw a near flawless game. He probably is the most explosive speed guy in the tourney. Looks like Bo Jackson in super tecmo bowl. How long has it been since we had a defenseman where you know he ain't gonna get beat one on one -- ever?
    8. Edu: 8.5 -- agree with others...tired near end, but he added defense and calmness dribbling outta the back
    9. Orozco 5 -- we should have brought an overage here. Enough said. People are a bit too fast for him.
    10. Guzan 8 -- Great reads and organizing. No brilliant saves, but intimidated the Japanese players with the size (there were many times they took too many dribbles)
    11. Parkhurst 7 -- Thought he read the game well and marked well. LEt Edu do his thing.
     
  11. TOTC

    TOTC Member

    Feb 20, 2001
    Laurel, MD, USA
    The beanpole ref needed a meal. And a clue.

    And another thing: if FIFA-recognized national governing bodies cannot put their logos on their shirts, then why are the referees wearing FIFA logos? Is it because they get the badges from cereal boxes?*















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    *a classic Ray Hudson reference, by the way
     
  12. dcole

    dcole Member+

    May 27, 2005
    FYI, just repeating what others have posted, but Sno apparently is out for the Dutch due to cards and Makaay is likely out with an injury according to their coach. Things are looking up! (Not that I hoped for it, but I suppose I'll take it. Face it, we're not exactly at full strength either without Spector and Sturgis.)
     
  13. LJSoccer

    LJSoccer Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    Lake Jackson TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I fear for my Dynamo holding on to Stuart. He holds or at least is eligible for a Euro passport due to his parents being Scottish. A jump to Europe would be easy. I get to see him every game with the Dynamo and he is a pistol.
     
  14. dsnipes1

    dsnipes1 Member

    Aug 12, 2005
    a few thoughts....

    why couldn't we win a header in the last 10 minutes of the match? every ball in the air, regardless of where it was on the field, japan got a head to it first. how did that happen?

    edu got seriously tired towards the end of the match, and while i think it was clear that the japanese forwards were diving, the u.s. can consider itself fortunate to not give away a pk. the conditioning of the back 4 has to be a concern going forward in the tournament.

    adu deserved a penalty.

    kljestan needs to not play again for the rest of tournament. or really, ever again.

    altidore needs to start instead of mcbride.

    feilhaber, mccarty, szetela need more minutes.

    we need to use our subs at appropriate times to reduce fatigue.

    the patriot act has to finally be invoked for a good and noble cause and balboa must be taken out.
     
  15. zerkdave

    zerkdave Member

    Mar 4, 2005
    Arlington, VA
    I think you got Wynne confused. I, too, was very keen to watch what he did with the ball. I don't recall ONE Unwarranted bootball. Can anybody confirm? We should have a unwarranted boot ball counter.

    I agree with you, I hate booting.

    When are we never CONCERNED -- deathly CONCERNED -- About this EUROPEAN player or that EUROPEAN player? We will be fine buster brown.

    Which brings to another important -- very important -- point: MLS and USSoccer needs to start compiling detailed stats like the other big leagues. I think that it can give a better picture as to who is doing what rather than gumption.
     
  16. LJSoccer

    LJSoccer Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    Lake Jackson TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    feilhaber, mccarty, szetela need more minutes. Who's minutes do you take?

    we need to use our subs at appropriate times to reduce fatigue. AGREE

    the patriot act has to finally be invoked for a good and noble cause and balboa must be taken out. ABSOLUTELY AGREE
     
  17. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Brooklyn
    I thought Guzan was really poor in distribution. He took way to long to bring the ball back into play and played everything long, which meant the US was always playing into a set Japanese defense. That's one of the big things that keeps the US from building play out of the back (that and Sasha's turnovers). He's somewhat handicapped in that Wynne and Orozco are pretty uncomfortable on the ball, but the CBs on this team are good passers and he should take advantage of it.

    And while Holden was mostly good, he kept that Japanese short corner onside by not reading Parkhurst and Edu.
     
  18. Captain10

    Captain10 Member

    Jul 26, 2000
    Marietta, GA
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure I agree with that ... I have to go back and look at the video, but I think we still had guys on the posts, so there would not have been any offside at all.

    On a lighter note, I surely plan to use that set play with my U17s! :)
     
  19. dsnipes1

    dsnipes1 Member

    Aug 12, 2005
    i take all of kljestan's minutes, i either start bradley and sub him out pretty early, or i don't play bradley at all. and i give rogers and holden a rest on the outside as well (so i'd be giving feilhaber and mccarty minutes in central mf, and szetela minutes at rm).
     
  20. camasterton

    camasterton Member

    Jun 26, 2001
    North Carolina
    Wynn was the man of the match because the Japanese game plan was to attack down the wings. The best players for Japan are their wing players and the USMNT's defensive plan was to clog the middle leaving Wynn and Orosco (sp) on islands. Wynn snuffed out everything thrown at him (and a lot was!) and still got forward to send in some good crosses. In front of Wynn, Holden was fair at best. Kliestjen (sp) had a horror match and Adu was a give away machine. Lastly, the only goal of the game was through his effort.

    Edu was firm as well but had much more help and a few more luck outs. BTW-I don't see those so called PKs deserved, against him, as such. The referee was fairly consistent all match and refreshingly was anti divers! Simulating is a plague on the game and I was happy to see the dive first players, unrewarded. In both instances with Edu, the forwards were looking for contact and a reason to go down instead of playing the ball. Simulation is "part of the game" only because it is allowed. It is against the rules and spirit (got it Freddy?, now go play soccer!). Yea, to that ref!
     
  21. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    You are aware that they kept running wall passes on the flanks and quite often it was the midfielder delivering the cross? I'm not sure he played all that well, but those crosses weren't all on him.

    In addition, there are only 5 defenders on the roster, there aren't to many options to replace either Orozco or Edu. With respect to Edu, I thought he had a good game.
     
  22. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't see how Edu can be so horrible in those 15 minutes and still be rated AHEAD of Wynne. Wynne was clearly our best player, by a long ways. People just don't want to say it as that makes them look bad for constantly picking on Wynne as just as athlete for the entire runup to this tournament.
     
  23. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Brooklyn
    Yeah, that was a wonderful set piece.

    I only saw the one replay, but I think whoever had the near post pushed out while Holden stayed put on the back.
     
  24. joehill

    joehill Member

    Sep 28, 2005
    brooklyn
    Club:
    DC United
    i think we need to play adu as an attacking mid, not up top. there was no link between the midfield and the forwards, bradley usually achieves some of that but not today. adu needs some space in midfield where he can create without having two defenders draped on him the whole time.
     
  25. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No.

    Holden kept them both onside with his slow reaction
     

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