Who deserve's FIFA's top ranking?

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  1. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    Top 20 after the EURO 2008 quarterfinals: link.
     
  2. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    what a joke at ARgentina going so far down. Plus Paraguay >> COlombia and should be top 20 and how is Bulgaria 17th???
     
  3. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Because Bulgaria has 930 points and Paraguay has less points.
     
  4. Hendrixforpope

    Hendrixforpope Member+

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Dec 15, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    It's all about the points. :D
     
  5. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    It's between Germany and Spain -> link.
     
  6. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    How outdated seems this poll!

    Brazil and Argentina are playing pitiful football, more so the former that got spanked by Paraguay in Asuncion 2-0, although the latter barely tied Colombia in Buenos Aires 1-1.

    In Europe, France is in the middle of a transtion and quite weak at this point, and Italy isn't doing much better. England is not even in the Euro.

    Right now, Spain, Russia, The Netherlands, Germany, and Paraguay seem to be the Top 5.
     
  7. Hendrixforpope

    Hendrixforpope Member+

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Dec 15, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    At this moment in time maybe but the FIFA Rankings are based on a 4-year time frame.
     
  8. JuveFE

    JuveFE Member

    Apr 20, 2005
    Jersey

    Which to me makes no sense. 4 years??? I can understand a year but 4?? Fifa needs to understand that players will come and go from the national team and teams that were good in 06 may not be the same team in 08. Keeping a team in the top 15 just because they won a game against a top team 3 years ago in some tournament and got points for that should not matter 3 years down the road in a ranking.

    These rankings and especially fifa will always be a joke
     
  9. zippy85

    zippy85 Red Card

    Jul 4, 2007
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Everytime i hear about Australia lately they seem to have just lost.:confused:
     
  10. Hendrixforpope

    Hendrixforpope Member+

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Dec 15, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    The 4-year time frame is meant to keep some consistency in the rankings. If the time frame was too small, countries would rise and plummet in the rankings at obscene rates.
     
  11. JuveFE

    JuveFE Member

    Apr 20, 2005
    Jersey
    You don't think 4 years is to long of time frame? I really think they should just do it year by year. Every single time these rankings come out there a joke. Some teams don't do anything for 2 years and still make the top 15. The whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.
     
  12. Hendrixforpope

    Hendrixforpope Member+

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Dec 15, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I'd say one year minimum, two years maximum.

    Basing the rankings on a two year time frame would keep some consistency as well as some relevance. The best of both worlds.
     
  13. Hendrixforpope

    Hendrixforpope Member+

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Dec 15, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Come to think of it, not having a 4-year time frame would hurt the WC champion and Euro champion (as well as other continental champions) because it would drop the points earned from those tournaments just two years later. That's the reason the rankings are based on a 4-year time frame to begin with.
     
  14. UEFA2008

    UEFA2008 Red Card

    Jun 21, 2008
    The FIFA rankings has always been a joke. Why does anyone use them or pay attention to them , I don't know.

    England, despite not qualifying for Euro 2008, are still above the Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Croatia, Turkey, Poland, Russia, and Sweden. 5 of those teams are one of the best 8 in Europe right now. If that is not proof enough, I don't know what is. A complete joke.

    This rankings are made up by using a 4-year span of the team's successes and failures. That is complete horseshit. There are teams right now who are now in the top 4 of Europe when 4 years ago they were next to nothing.

    The rankings should be done in a monthly pattern taking loosely into account the previous month's ranking. This 4 year crap makes no sense. It also doesn't take into account if a normally strong side fields a B team in contrast to a weak side fielding an A team (a prime example is Mexico v Brazil. Mexico have beaten Brazil's B squad quite a few times since 1999.). I think I have comed up with a new and much better formula then FIFA though.
     
  15. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well, post it.

    And btw the ranking will change, but AFTER the tournament.
     
  16. bsas

    bsas Member

    May 27, 2004
    Switzerland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I think the main issue is that you can't give a specific, absolute order for say the top 5, if not the top 10. Frankly speaking, nowadays each top team could beat the other on their good day, and lose to weak opposition on a bad day.

    Therefore I think that keeping a longer scope is required to have some consistency, because top teams usually win more games than others.

    But I agree 4 years is too much. A good balance would be about 2 years, keeping some small factor on the trophies won.
     
  17. jerrito

    jerrito Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    America
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I agree, especially considering the significant turnover on a national team in 4 years.
     
  18. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    It seems I can't edit the post, so here's the correct ranking:

    June 2008

    2 years:

    Code:
     1 Argentina      1229
     2 Italy          1157
     3 Brazil         1135
     4 Germany        1078
     5 Spain          1036
     6 Czech Republic  927
     7 France          885
     8 Greece          861
     9 Romania         846
    10 Netherlands     829
    11 Ghana           821
    12 Scotland        816
    13 Portugal        812
    14 Croatia         803
    15 England         803
    16 Bulgaria        785
    17 Mexico          761
    18 Cameroon        754
    19 Israel          705
    20 Russia          680
    1 year

    Code:
     1 Argentina      799
     2 Brazil         753
     3 Spain          683
     4 Czech Republic 656
     5 Italy          598
     6 Greece         584
     7 Bulgaria       560
     8 Germany        550
     9 Mexico         549
    10 Ghana          546
    11 Romania        541
    12 Cameroon       536
    13 Scotland       523
    14 Egypt          503
    15 Croatia        489
    16 Norway         468
    17 USA            462
    18 Israel         458
    19 Paraguay       451
    20 England        451
     
  19. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    And the July 2008 rankings (including matches played at EURO 2008 until the semifinals):

    2 years

    Code:
     1 Spain          1141
     2 Croatia        1059
     3 Italy          1028
     4 Germany        1015
     5 Netherlands     948
     6 Russia          908
     7 Brazil          897
     8 Argentina       889
     9 Czech Republic  860
    10 Turkey          835
    11 Scotland        821
    12 Romania         797
    13 Bulgaria        754
    14 France          736
    15 Greece          732
    16 Portugal        727
    17 Cameroon        723
    18 Israel          709
    19 Mexico          654
    20 Ghana           645
    1 year

    Code:
     1 Spain          903
     2 Brazil         695
     3 Croatia        682
     4 Netherlands    676
     5 Russia         651
     6 Germany        640
     7 Argentina      621
     8 Italy          618
     9 Czech Republic 612
    10 Turkey         593
    11 Scotland       541
    12 Portugal       531
    13 Ghana          508
    14 Bulgaria       502
    15 Cameroon       497
    16 Egypt          488
    17 Colombia       481
    18 Romania        476
    19 Israel         468
    20 Moldova        460
     
  20. zippy85

    zippy85 Red Card

    Jul 4, 2007
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I prefer the 4 year list.
     
  21. UEFA2008

    UEFA2008 Red Card

    Jun 21, 2008
    That is a great list! I think I would go with the 1 year list with a few modifications. It definetly is 100 times more realistically then that crap FIFA ranking. There are teams that are not even on the top 16 of Europe that has bo business in the top 20 of the World.

    PM if you can. I want to know how FIFA rankings work. I am thinking of making up a "BigSoccer" ranking adding your formula with mine.
     
  22. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    ok and wtf did Bulgaria do that gets them in the top 20 :confused::confused:

    sadly I have to agree, especially with the 1 year rating system because South America and Europe play their continental tournies in different years and thus it really screws up the ratings
     
  23. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    They had quite a good qualifying for EURO 2008, they gained more points than Russia or Turkey for example.
     
  24. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Last 26 Games of Bulgaria:

    16-6-4 (W-D-L)

    Last 26 Games of Paraquay:

    8-8-10 (W-D-L)
     
  25. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    But one of the major points to this whole rating system isnt so much that you won its WHO you played against.

    A win against Argentina or Brazil at home isn't the same as beating Argentina or Brazil away. It's also not the same as beating the team on the corner 9-0.
     

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