Italy has 4 World Cup Championships to Germany's 3, but Germany has been more successful in the European Championships; Germany has 3 Euro titles to Italy's 1. Additionally Germany has been to the championship games in both the Euros (5 to 2) and World Cups (7 to 7) than Italy. So which is the more successful team over the ages?
(7 to 6), not (7 to 7) Overall Germany are probably slightly ahead because of more trophies and more consistent performances.
The Germans. Germany is also the most succesful side in Euro championships, followed by the NL and France. The Netherlands have scored the most goals in Euro championships and have taken less games than the Germans to outscore them We're just not much of a cupfighter.
This is what I found (http://soccerlens.com/euro-2008-statistics/7632/): These statistics do not include the EURO 2008 results so far, which means that the NL would be ranked 1 at this point. Rank Nation P W D L F A Pts 1 Germany 32 15 10 7 45 32 55 2 Netherlands 28 14 8 6 45 28 50
I would say Germany , I don't put as much stock on the first 2 Italian World Cups. The holders Uruguay as well as almost all South American Countries didn't bother to show up. It was basically a European championship with Brasil added. Besides I would be leary about any final played at the Stadium of the National Fascist Party
Of course I am biased, so I show just the numbers: Number of Major Titles: Germany: 6 (3 WC /3 EC) Italy: 5 (4 WC /1 EC) Appearances in a final: Germany: 12 (7/5) Italy: 8 (6/2) Appearances in a semifinal: Germany: 17 (11/6) Italy: 12 (8/4) Appearances in a QF/Second Group stage: Germany: 22 (15 /7) Italy: 14 (9/5) Successful qualifications for WC (Number of attempts) Germany: 16(16) Italy: 16(17) Successful qualifications for EURO (Number of attempts) Germany: 10(11) Italy: 7(12) Stats for WC Germany: Games: 92 with 5.75 games per tournament (highest value of all nations) Victories: 56 Draws: 19 Losses: 17 190:112 goals 187 points (2.033 points per game) Italy: Games: 77 with 4.8125 games per tournament Victories: 44 Draws: 19 Losses: 14 122:69 goals 151 points (1.96 points per game) Stats for Euro (without 2008) Germany Germany 32 15 10 7 45:32 55 Italy Italy 23 10 10 3 24:14 40 Please tell me if you see a typo or wrong numbers.
While I agree that Germany has the overall better record in these major tournaments combined, I find it interesting that Germany has NEVER beaten Italy in the WC. Italy has beaten Germany twice in SF, once in a final and they tied once in the second group stage in '78. If Germany was SOOOOO far better than Italy as many here say, then once in the history of the sport, they would have beaten them on the biggest stage. What Germany excels at is NEVER getting beat by a lesser team something that Italy has had problems with throughout their history. When it comes to the big matches vs the top opponents, I'd put Italy's history right up there with Germany.
Germany: 1954: beat Yugoslavia, Austria and Hungary 1958: beat Argentina, Yugoslavia 1966: beat Spain, Soviet Union 1970: beat England 1974: beat Netherlands 1982: beat Spain, France 1986: beat France 1990: beat Netherlands, England, Argentina 2006: beat Argentina at penalties and Portugal 17 Italy: 1934: beat Spain, Austria (I hate Mussolini, but not the italian team) 1938: beat Brazil, Hungary 1970: beat Germany 1978: beat Argentina, France 1982: beat Argentina, Brazil, Germany (very impressive) 1990: beat England 1994: beat Spain 2006: beat Czech Rep, Germany, France 15 feel free to add or subtract teams, because it's hard to evaluate which teams were big at the given time or maybe I just forget to add some teams
Why, because the Olympics with the National-Socialist party were so much more trustworthy? I also assume you have mountains of evidence to support your nonsensical implications, right?
um theres still france Rank Nation P W D L F A Pts 2 Netherlands 28 14 8 6 45 28 50 3 France 25 14 6 5 45 28 48 But will change after this year
LOL That must be the biggest jokes of all time. Just recently I watched the full 1990 final again for getting into the righ mood for Euro2008. It was like 20:1 goal attempts in favour of Germany with something like 70 % possession. While the penalty might not really have been one, just minutes before there was a foul against Augenthaler that should have been a penalty!
About World Cups, Germany have advantage in the general statistics in spite of Italy have one more trophy: Germany Germany 5-2 Belgium Germany 2-1 Sweden Germany 1-3 Czech Republic Germany 3-2 Austria Germany 1-1 Switzerland Germany 2-4 Switzerland Germany 4-1 Turkey Germany 3-8 Hungary Germany 7-2 Turkey Germany 2-0 Yugoslavia Germany 6-1 Austria Germany 3-2 Hungary Germany 3-1 Argentina Germany 2-2 Czech Republic Germany 2-2 Northern Ireland Germany 1-0 Yugoslavia Germany 1-3 Sweden Germany 3-6 France Germany 0-0 Italy Germany 2-1 Switzerland Germany 2-0 Chile Germany 0-1 Yugoslavia Germany 5-0 Switzerland Germany 0-0 Argentina Germany 2-1 Spain Germany 4-0 Uruguay Germany 2-1 Soviet Union Germany 2-4 England Germany 2-1 Morocco Germany 5-2 Bulgaria Germany 3-1 Peru Germany 3-2 England Germany 3-4 Italy Germany 1-0 Uruguay Germany 1-0 Chile Germany 3-0 Austria Germany 0-1 East Germany Germany 2-0 Yugoslavia Germany 4-2 Sweden Germany 1-0 Poland Germany 2-1 Holland Germany 0-0 Poland Germany 6-0 Mexico Germany 0-0 Tunisia Germany 0-0 Italy Germany 2-2 Holland Germany 3-2 Austria Germany 1-2 Algeria Germany 4-1 Chile Germany 1-0 Austria Germany 0-0 England Germany 2-1 Spain Germany 3-3 France Germany 1-3 Italy Germany 1-1 Uruguay Germany 2-1 Scotland Germany 0-2 Denmark Germany 1-0 Morocco Germany 0-0 Mexico Germany 2-0 France Germany 2-3 Argentina Germany 4-1 Yugoslavia Germany 5-1 United Arab Emirates Germany 1-1 Colombia Germany 2-1 Holland Germany 1-0 Czech Republic Germany 1-1 England Germany 1-0 Argentina Germany 1-0 Bolivia Germany 1-1 Spain Germany 3-2 South Korea Germany 3-2 Belgium Germany 1-2 Bulgaria Germany 2-0 United States Germany 2-2 Yugoslavia Germany 2-0 Iran Germany 2-1 Mexico Germany 0-3 Croatia Germany 8-0 Saudi Arabia Germany 1-1 Ireland Germany 2-0 Cameroon Germany 1-0 Paraguay Germany 1-0 United States Germany 1-0 South Korea Germany 0-2 Brazil Germany 4-2 Costa Rica Germany 1-0 Poland Germany 3-0 Ecuador Germany 2-0 Sweden Germany 1-1 Argentina Germany 0-2 Italy Germany 3-1 Portugal Italy Italy 7-1 United States Italy 1-1 Spain Italy 1-0 Spain Italy 1-0 Austria Italy 2-1 Czech Republic Italy 2-1 Norway Italy 3-1 France Italy 2-1 Brazil Italy 4-2 Hungary Italy 2-3 Sweden Italy 2-0 Paraguay Italy 1-2 Switzerland Italy 4-1 Belgium Italy 1-4 Switzerland Italy 0-0 Germany Italy 0-2 Chile Italy 3-0 Switzerland Italy 2-0 Chile Italy 0-1 Soviet Union Italy 0-1 North Korea Italy 1-0 Sweden Italy 0-0 Uruguay Italy 0-0 Israel Italy 4-1 Mexico Italy 4-3 Germany Italy 1-4 Brazil Italy 3-1 Haiti Italy 1-1 Argentina Italy 1-2 Poland Italy 2-1 France Italy 3-1 Hungary Italy 1-0 Argentina Italy 0-0 Germany Italy 1-0 Austria Italy 1-2 Holland Italy 1-2 Brazil Italy 0-0 Poland Italy 1-1 Peru Italy 1-1 Cameroon Italy 2-1 Argentina Italy 3-2 Brazil Italy 2-0 Poland Italy 3-1 Germany Italy 1-1 Bulgaria Italy 1-1 Argentina Italy 3-2 South Korea Italy 0-2 France Italy 1-0 Austria Italy 1-0 United States Italy 2-0 Czech Republic Italy 2-0 Uruguay Italy 1-1 Argentina Italy 2-1 England Italy 0-1 Ireland Italy 1-0 Norway Italy 1-1 Mexico Italy 2-1 Nigeria Italy 2-1 Spain Italy 2-1 Bulgaria Italy 0-0 Brazil Italy 2-2 Chile Italy 3-0 Cameroon Italy 2-1 Austria Italy 1-0 Norway Italy 0-0 France Italy 2-0 Ecuador Italy 1-2 Croatia Italy 1-1 Mexico Italy 1-2 South Korea Italy 2-0 Ghana Italy 1-1 United States Italy 2-0 Czech Republic Italy 1-0 Australia Italy 3-0 Ukraine Italy 2-0 Germany Italy 1-1 France Code: [B]W D L G A Dif %[/B] Germany 56 20 16 191 101 90 68.11 Italy 43 19 14 121 69 52 64.91
They both have excellent records, it's tough to say who is the most successful team between the two of them. Although head to head we always seem to have Germany's number.
You missed the point, the pre war World cups weren't really "world cups" They were more like South American or European championships depending were they were held. Uruguay and Argentina have the same number of world cups , maybe we should compare those two. If you want to be impressed by them that's fine , but to me Germany's 3 are more impressive than Italy's 4.
I found different numbers on wikipedia and in my World Cup Encyclopedia, so I think I have to research it myself.