Harden Retired? Vanney In?

Discussion in 'LA Galaxy' started by m vann, Feb 15, 2008.

  1. iride_mybike

    iride_mybike Member

    Mar 31, 2004
    DFW
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I agree with you that we badly need that pipeline to talent in the south but it's not there yet. Since it is not established yet and given our salary cap issues I'd say he is doing a decent job of working with what is available to us in the league.

    Let's face it. If Yallop doesn't give up Shavar Thomas we wouldn't even know who Ty Harden is and wouldn't think twice about him quitting. We probably wouldn't need to go giving up more youth for Vanney either.
     
  2. Sean...

    Sean... Member

    Jul 23, 2005
    Ireland
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Knowing Alexi, we'll probably trade his rights to Seattle for allocation money.
     
  3. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Yeah, the Shavar Thomas move was puzzling. In some ways, we're spending this year trying to fix all the trades that Yallop made last year.

    Given our situation, we can't really write this year off. But the smart thing would be to treat this year as a building year and hope to have a good team next year.
     
  4. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Yallop obviously saw something in Harden right off the bat. He started every pre-season match and he started every match he was fit for last season.

    I personally had some serious reservations about putting so much responsibility on a rookie center back and felt Harden looked a little awkward back there, but he had a lot of upside.

    Funny, I remember my impression from the first time I ever saw Harden play, and it never really changed a whole lot after that.

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11105865&postcount=13

    (That was in the scrimmage against the California Victory last pre-season) no one at that game thought he was a potential starter. No one. Everyone assumed he was playing due to pre-season.
     
  5. Evil Genius

    Evil Genius Member

    Jun 6, 2004
    Southern Minnesota
    The Harden thing is interesting. Goff linked to another site that said it really wasn't about money for Harden, but that he was having a really hard time adjusting to be a full-time, professional soccer player. It said that he suffered prolonged bouts of loneliness last year, so I guess he's a guy who really loves his family and felt out of place in Los Angeles.
     
  6. JoeW

    JoeW New Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Northern Virginia, USA
    1. Goff confirms that Kirk is a Gen Ad this season. He just doesn't play enough to have his Gen Ad status removed.

    2. Acquiring Needham just got more complicated. DCU holds his MLS rights. But he's still under contract to Puerto Rico. So you'd have to deal with both teams. I'm guessing a deal with PR would involve something like $ or a willingness to play them in an exhibition match. For DCU, probably a draft pick in the future.
     
  7. Samminish

    Samminish New Member

    Mar 7, 2005
    Hmmm - Why is this suspicious??

    CLICK ON: CONSPIRACY-MODE

    While I'm in this whole conspiracy-mode place .. .. Who wants to bet that Mr. Harden is the opening day centre-back for SEATTLE in 2009??

    I can see/hear it now, "I loved working for my dad, but something was just missing in my life!"

    Who is Seattle's GM anyhow??

    Betcha he (or Chris Henderson) may know Papa Harden .. ..

    Nothing wrong with that, if so .. .. Just interesting to speculate .. .. :confused:
     
  8. convergecrew

    convergecrew New Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    Los Angeles
    I would so rep you if I could. (post cut b/c of length)
     
  9. iride_mybike

    iride_mybike Member

    Mar 31, 2004
    DFW
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Hmmm - Why is this suspicious??


    I hope he is the starting CB for Seattle in 2009. That means that they are going to suck quite badly and I look forward to us taking 3 points from them everytime we play. Harden was marginal at best and if he thinks he can take a year off from the game and just step right back into it he is sadly mistaken. Let him go to Seattle and make the same stupid mistakes he made hear week after week. I look forward to it.
     
  10. Koz

    Koz New Member

    Mar 10, 2006
    Los Angeles
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm pretty sure we just deal with one team: Puerto Rico. DCU doesn't hold his rights anymore, the Islanders do though. Shouldn't be too difficult to strike a deal with them, but, as he originally went to USL because DC didn't pay him enough, finding money to pay him could end up being a problem.

    Speaking of $$$, Vanney is dependable (sort of...he's not THAT old) but his salary is crazy. Maybe we can pull off a Clint Mathis and deal him away and use him as trade bait? :rolleyes: Haha, wishful thinking.

    But Vanney's definitely not worth what we are going ot pay him, which worries me. I would have much rather signed Nat Borchers.
     
  11. Crzyknot

    Crzyknot Member

    Sep 30, 2006
  12. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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  13. Galaxy Steve

    Galaxy Steve Member

    Jun 15, 2007
    PASADENA AREA
  14. Galaxy Steve

    Galaxy Steve Member

    Jun 15, 2007
    PASADENA AREA
  15. shirteesdotnet

    Feb 13, 2007
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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  16. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    I stand corrected. Nice to finally see. So now that it's "official" I guess the blog will be free to comment on it.

    Steve, I think my point about media in the "LA Galaxy wants you" thread is legitimate and I'd appreciate it if you could get some FO response on that.
     
  17. Galaxy Steve

    Galaxy Steve Member

    Jun 15, 2007
    PASADENA AREA
    I agree. Steve R. and I talked about this point at length on the phone after you posted. We will certainly talk to the FO about this.

    -Steve L.
     
  18. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    I really appreciate that.
     
  19. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    DC holds his MLS rights while PR holds his playing rights. In MLS, you can keep the rights for a couple of years even if you don't sign the player. We'll have to make a deal with both.

    I doubt he'll ask for a lot of money. We could probably get him for around MLS minimum. The problem is finding the open roster spot.
     
  20. jimmyodonnell

    jimmyodonnell Member

    May 1, 2003
    I never thought he was such a promising player that I should even care about this . . . but he did work hard and he did improve during a difficult season. So I'm not really pissed AT Harden but I will bust balls a little bit because this seems lame for a couple reasons . . .

    RETIRES?? WTF, dude's 23. The only things you should retire from at 23 are being an Eagle Scout or a dorm RA. Couldn't he fight off severe bouts of lonliness with a 12-pack like most guys who move to LA in their 20s? And if it's about the money then I guess he's got to look out for himself, but the turn-the-tables bit still doesn't sit well with me. If he turns up in Seattle then good for him I guess . . . whatever.
     
  21. CSUFstewie

    CSUFstewie Member

    Feb 27, 2006
    Placentia, CA
    We do know that the MLS is not an over 30 league ... right?? :eek:
     
  22. Soccer Obsession

    Jun 13, 2007
    Pasadena
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I kind of agree. Its good to see him following his actual dreams, and doing something he considers worthwhile. But man, does he know how many people would trade places with him, how many people dream of playing professional soccer, and he gives it up? All he had to do was drop by the open tryouts last week to see 400 guys dying to be able to do what he was considering quiting. You would think that would have made him reconsider.
     
  23. JoeW

    JoeW New Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Northern Virginia, USA

    My understanding is that Needham's contract with Puerto Rico pays more than the MLS minimum for senior roster players. A year ago as a rookie, he turned down a upper developmental contract with DCU. Now he's got a year's pro experience and a fall-back deal so I don't imagine he'll settle for less money. In any case, this is academic if y'all decide he's not good enough to make your senior roster.

    As for finding an open roster spot, let's be honest here: in 2007, the only team that could honestly say that they had "maybe" 18 players worthy of being on the senior roster and serious contributors was Houston. And even then they'd have to include Dalglish (who missed the season with injuries). Most MLS teams had trouble going more than 13 players deep (and some like TFC and RSL might have arguably been only 8-9 players). Needham is not in DCU's camp because the team didn't think he make the senior roster--and we're not 18 players deep--not even close to it. So if Needham proves he's capable of helping you in central defense and playing at an MLS level, I doubt you'd have trouble finding a senior roster spot for him.
     
  24. Ron86

    Ron86 Member

    Jun 7, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We needed to take care of that BACKline, but now our GK migth be a problem. How many starts does our GK have under his belt. That migth become an ISSUE. We need someone with Munutes WIns Shotouts under his belt.
     
  25. Going Mobile

    Going Mobile Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 15, 2004
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
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    United States
    reminds alot of the Adam Frye situation a few years ago.Sad really. It has to be hard to give up your dreams to the "the right thing"
     

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