Eliseo Giusfredi to Spartak Moscow

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by flux82, Feb 8, 2008.

  1. flux82

    flux82 Member

    Aug 9, 2001
    Mississippi
  2. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Given that he has Green Card issues, it would seem to preclude him from discussion on this forum, ie NOT a Yank Abroad.
     
  3. dcpohl

    dcpohl Member+

    Feb 9, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Precisely why he isn't a Yank Abroad.

    If he were concerned about playing in MLS he might have gotten his green card or initiated the citizenship process, oh I don't know maybe SEVEN years ago when he moved here.
     
  4. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
  5. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    I loved this guy on Strangers with Candy

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    (Sorry, I couldn't get the first picture pasted so you have to use the link. If someone can post it, feel free.)
     
  6. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    I'm very curious to know what these alleged issues were given how many foreign slots there are in MLS now and how frequently international slots are used on college kids.

    How is his situation and residency status different than Patrick Nyarko's?
     
  7. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    According to Ives, he was given bad information on Giusfredi to Spartak Moscow and it's actually Spartak Nalchik, currently 12 of 14 teams in mother Russia's top flight, that is interested in Giusfredi.

    Ives also says the reason the kid wasn't signed by MLS was because he was here in the country illegally. (Which, I suppose, underscores that the kid isn't actually a Yank Abroad.)

    http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2008/02/morning-ticke-3.html#more
     
  8. Shaydee

    Shaydee Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    they finished last season in 12th out of 16 teams. this season starts march 14th
     
  9. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    LOL. Care to revise the attitude on this one?

    Just assume MLS F'D it up. Its a typical attitude adopted by way to many US citizens.....quite often, incorrectly.

    ES doesn't have to worry about that of course. Just an illegal alien.
     
  10. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    That's my bad, thanks for correcting me.

    I agree with Zoidberg that folks are often too quick to criticize MLS. That isn't to say it isn't ever warranted - Lord knows, I've criticized them plenty, usually fairly IMO (of course ;)) - but if the kid is breaking the law being here illegally there isn't much MLS should be expected to do to get that straightened out.
     
  11. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Maybe he's here on a student visa, in which case he's not supposed to work...either way neither of the articles mentions his status
     
  12. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    If you scroll down on today's blog piece from Ives, into the comments section, he responds to someone's question and says the kid is undocumented, which is polite speak for here illegally.

    And as for MLS signing players here on student visas, it happens all the time. Every foreign-draft pick that came here for college is on a student visa and MLS drafts, and signs, them every year.

    If Giusfredi had a student visa and wanted to sign with MLS, that immigration status wouldn't have kept MLS from signing him.
     
  13. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah but technically he would have to have an ability beyond that of citizens to play, so in order to get a visa MLS essentially has to say they want him. If I were here on a student visa, I sure couldn't get a work visa for MLS (well, I might, but not if whoever investigated the request did any work on it)

    Anyway, here illegally, want to get documented? Good luck with that. At the minimum enjoy the next year in Argentina while you wait for paperwork.
     
  14. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    He can play in MLS presumably, if MLS wanted him badly enough.

    He'd have to leave and then apply for a work visa.

    Nalchik is playing its pre-season in Spain now.

    No mention of this kid.

    Nalchik is not the safest part of Russia either.
     
  15. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    But if he was in the US illegally, he just can't fly home and get a visa because he has to pay a penalty, in terms of time out of the US, before he's allowed back in legally.

    It's usually a couple of years. So even if MLS wanted him, he wasn't playing for any MLS team this year and probably not next.
     
  16. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    It depends on what his violation was.
     
  17. dl

    dl New Member

    Sep 16, 2000
    Cambridge, MA
    Either way, it seems that Ives won't do any more reporting on the issue until the kid signs somewhere... which is too bad because it certainly makes an interesting story, not just about EG, but about all the undocumented players that are in the US and their chances to play in MLS.

    I wish Ives would dig a little deeper and do some investigative journalism. I think we'd learn something about MLS and about immigration.
     

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