I'm not sure how long Nielsen takes to compile the data, but it may end up here http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/nielsens-charts.htm
here's one I got from other thread. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5524092.html "Although Thursday's U.S.-Mexico soccer game at Reliant Stadium was a tie on the field, it was a win in the Nielsen ratings for KXLN (Channel 45). Univision's broadcast recorded a 9.9 Nielsen household rating, two-tenths of a point higher than American Idol's 9.7 rating an hour earlier on Channel 26. Among adults 18-49, soccer rated 8.8 to 5.1 for American Idol. The English-language broadcast had a 1.1 household rating on ESPN2. ..." This report is a little vaguely worded, in that it talks about local and national numbers. KXLN is Houston's local Univision affiliate. Don't know if the ESPN2 rating quoted above is for Houston, or a national number. Guess there aren't so many Duke-UNC fans in Houston. Go figure. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I like the numbers, but honestly, I usually look mostly at the English Speaking numbers, just because I see that as more of a guage for American Soccer itself. Not to say that those wathcing on Univision arent "American" (not gonna try and start some fight) but I feel that English Speaking viewers is more indicative of popularity among those that can one day help the USMNT
bullshit. The Univision numbers are important for the status of soccer in this country. Period. End of story. Face it. For the near and distant future, Latinos are going to be the driving force for soccer in the US. Deal w/ it. It's been that way since the '70s. It's that way now. It will be for the next generation minimum. MLS has figured that out and has from 30-40% of its fanbase coming from this demographic. The USMNT has figured it out. Yet... some how... ppl still have this prejudice. You may not mean to say it, but discarding the Univision numbers kinda sorta ... well... supports that. I recognize that that's not your intention. But still. 1. There are Latinos in the USMNT pool. Not enough as most of us would like, but that's due to infrastructural issues that plague the federation in many, many ways. 2. The dearth of Latinos in the nat pool points to Infrastructure and failures in the development area. It has little to do w/ race per se but social class and the fact that the game in the US is too suburban-based.
I agree with you: The Univision numbers are important. But I suspect his point is that as far as the U.S. Men's National Team goes, the English-language numbers probably have more to tell us about the state of things. And that would probably be correct.
I'm with CubLou on this one. The ESPN2 broadcast tells us more about the state of the US National Teamsupport. Yes, Univison numbers do reflect the overall numbers of soccer watching and popularity in the country, however i doubt there were many people watching Univision that were rooting for the US. I did watch a majority of the game on Univision because i am working on my Spanish but i still can't imagine very many English(US supporters) speakers were watching Univision. Carlos i almost always agree with you but i think you were off base on this one.
And you'd be wrong. The US games during the WC actually garner quite formidable ratings. They don't compare to Mexico's, but they're solid nonetheless.
I am pretty sure that wasn't a WC match last Wednesday but i could be wrong. I am pretty sure it was a friendly between the US and Mexico, again i could be wrong. During the WC i watch pretty much every single match because i like watching the sport it doesn't mean i am a supporter of the teams that i am watching. Anyway not quite sure what you are trying to point out in your latest post but of the 9.9 rating the game got on univision do you really think that more than .5-1.o of that was rooting for the US? No way, not to mention the numbers i gave were still way too high.
Stunning. I'll look into that. You mean it wasn't the final of the African Cup of Nations? Then each match would have an equal number of viewers, wouldn't it? The thing is that there is a direct correlation btw actually fans of a team and the number of viewers. It's not the only correlation, but it's one of the most important. And way to use a random example as "proof". Real brilliant logic there. You know... it's possible to look at numbers that the US garners on Univision/Telefutura and Telemundo, and reach a conclusion as to the "base audience" on those networks. It's pretty ridiculous to insist that a national team that has contracts w/ broadcast partner does NOT have a core audience. But feel free to go ahead and perpetuate myths. And there's no need to be such a douchebag.
I didn't do any name calling or say anything malicious so I think the douchebag claim is a little out of line. I really didn't understand anything you were saying in your above post so i don't know how to respond to that directly. Simply, as to what was being discussed at the top: The ESPN 2 ratings are more telling of US National Team support than the ratings of Univision. You disagree with that for some reason that I have not been able to find out yet.
Spanish is my 2nd language but I find myself watching the US games on spanish TV quite ofton. The respect and excitement seems to be at a higher level when I watch Univision as opposed to ESPN. However that might have changed since I last watched ESPN. Great ratings are good no matter what, companies only see consumer dollars
I have to confess I didn't really understand the post either. I'd like to respond as well, but I'm not sure how. At any rate, here's the bottom line: Nobody is questioning the value of Univision viewers. Nobody is saying those viewers are not worthwhile to advertisers, or that they don't "count" as Americans and soccer fans, or that we shouldn't include them in the total ratings figures. What we're saying is that when it comes to gauging support of the U.S. soccer team, it's a pretty fair bet that we should be leaning on the ESPN numbers. It's a pretty fair bet that most of the people who are watching a US-Mexico game on a Spanish-language channel are fans of the Mexican team. It's a pretty fair bet that in the places where real, bottom-line decisions involving this stuff get made -- like in the offices of U.S. Soccer* -- nobody's sitting around having this sort of argument. Reality is reality. (*Trust me, nobody there is insisting, for instance, that "Hey, we should have X number of replica U.S. jerseys manufactured because Univision got such-and-such rating!")
... for an incomplete picture. But they're not 100% pro-Mexican. There are US fans that watch the game. You mean... those same offices that insisted that the USMNT coach speak Spanish? Those same offices that have helped Bradley in his attempts to pick up Spanish? Those offices? Or some pie-in-the-sky fake offices that ignore the huge demographic of Latino fans of the USMNT? Exactly. USMNT gets put on Hispanic broadcast tv when not playing Mexico. USMNT players routinely appear on Hispanic sports shows. Reyna, Donovan and others are household names amongst Hispanic viewers. I don't know what reality you're talking about. Can somebody explain what is so difficult to fathom of the US having a base audience amongst Hispanic viewers???
Dook v UNC on ESPN = 2.0 USA vs Mex on ESPN2 = 1.0 WOW... isn't it great rate for USA game or what? (not even counting Univision competition) While this American cared and hyped and much talked about Dook/UNC game attracted 2.0 on ESPN, USA/Mex attracted half of that number(non even counting Univision competition) WOW... USA/Mex game deserves at least half the UNC/Dook coverage on major US media. and they are all US supporters, too cause Mexican supporters all probaly watched on Univision...
Presuming that ESPN's coverage of the Duke game was blacked out in the ACC areas serviced by Raycom, these areas are not accounted for in the ESPN figure: -- Florida (4th most populous U.S. state) -- Georgia (9th) -- North Carolina (10th) -- Virginia (12th) -- Massachusetts (14th) -- Maryland (19th) -- South Carolina (24th) Together they make up about one-fifth of the United States population. And they just happen to be the areas where the UNC-Duke game would be most in demand. In other words, the game certainly drew far more than a 2.0 total rating. But, yes, the USMNT's 1.0 -- combined with the Univision data -- makes for a nice, solid number. Especially considering it was up against UNC-Duke. We soccer fans have every reason to be optimistic about our sport's trajectory in this country.
If you accept that there are Spanish-speakers that root for the US, then why on earth would you throw out those numbers???? Say a soccer match btw the US and Mexico draws 500,000 viewers, and 50,000 are US supporters, why are you going to discredit 50,000 viewers? It makes no sense. But thanks for recognizing that not 100% of viewers are pro-Mexico. Here's a small sampling of my posts: The US games during the WC actually garner quite formidable ratings. They don't compare to Mexico's, and for an incomplete picture. and But they're not 100% pro-Mexican. There are US fans that watch the game. and The US games during the WC actually garner quite formidable ratings. They don't compare to Mexico's, Honestly. I have no idea where you would even begin to think that I am reluctant to recognize that Mexico is the driving force behind Univision and Telemundo's ratings bonanza. That is abundantly clear in everything I've said.
If it was abundantly clear in anything you had said then this thread would be ten posts long. If your example was even close to the real number i would be very suprised. Even if 10% supported the US that proves my point so i thank you for that. For the record i watched the game on univison. I guess why i think it was less then 10% is because out of the 35-45 Mexicans and 10-12 South Americans that i have come in contact with since the game all rooted for Mexico. Conversley, leaving me as the only person I know that rooted for the US while watching Univision which is no more than 2% of my limited sample population.
I suggest reading state of the game I and II on This Is American Soccer. Very informed discussion on Hispanic (mainly Mexican) support for the USMNT.
First of all, 10% for the Mexico numbers would be a HUGE victory for the USMNT b/c these games draw viewers in the millions, and that 10% would essentially shoot up ESPN's numbers. It proves my point, not yours. I emphasized the relevant points in your post.