Pako Ayesteran gone

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Samarkand, Aug 31, 2007.

  1. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    This is bad news, very bad news. Apparently a disagreement with Rafa ahs sent Pako on his way. This is potentially a huge blow as Pako did so much in terms of fitness and tactics. Here and here.

    Rumors that both United and Chelsea were interested, but I don't believe that's the reason, reading between the lines. It appears a fight with the boss was......
     
  2. Crown Paints

    Crown Paints New Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    Barnsley
    bah, this sux. I can't imagine who we could get to replace him
     
  3. LFCFanInCali

    LFCFanInCali New Member

    May 12, 2005
    SF Bay Area
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, this is surprising. They've worked together for years, for several teams.

    Strange that it would happen now, right at the beginning of a new campaign. If he wanted to leave, why didn't he during the summer break?
     
  4. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    There's something bizzare about this whole episode; they've been together forthe best part of 10 years and then an apparent ego trip embellishes their relationship? Somebody is going to back down, I hope.
     
  5. USvsIRELAND

    USvsIRELAND Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    ATL
    Pretty sure the time for backing down is gone.
     
  6. Raftastic

    Raftastic New Member

    Jan 15, 2007
    Liverpool
    This afternoons training session was cancelled due to the 2 guys having a heart 2 heart,maybe they will sort it out maybe they won't but we've allready have a ready made replacement in Angel Vales who is arguably more qualified that Pako in Training Fitness terms.
     
  7. Twenty26Six

    Twenty26Six Feeling Sheepish...

    Jan 2, 2004
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They've been 1 and 2 for Tenerife, Valencia, and Liverpool. That's a long history together.
     
  8. CCSC_STRIKER20

    CCSC_STRIKER20 New Member

    May 14, 2005
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe that's the thing. Rafa has always been the number 1 and Pako has always been the number 2. Even though they are friends that has to get to you sometime, and maybe Pako was tired of Rafa changing plans in training and doing things his way just because it's Rafas team. Maybe Pako felt that there wasn't enough respect between the two and felt it was time to move on.

    Again all speculation, but put yourself in Pako's shoes and you can see what I mean.
     
  9. Twenty26Six

    Twenty26Six Feeling Sheepish...

    Jan 2, 2004
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get the picture. I've been a number 2 on countless occasions. And, although, I think I'm fairly decent at keeping my place things can eat at you over a period of time.

    Sooner or later, you just have to do your own thing.
     
  10. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    Anyone heard any updates about this?
     
  11. Crown Paints

    Crown Paints New Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    Barnsley
  12. el-capitano

    el-capitano Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 30, 2005
    Sydney
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    These things do happen. Its a shame, but I know who we'd rather keep out of Pako & Rafa. ;)
     
  13. YNWAYNWA

    YNWAYNWA New Member

    Feb 26, 2005
    New York
  14. Ghostface

    Ghostface New Member

    Jul 18, 2006
    Detroit, MI
    Sorry to get OT here.

    I'm not sure, perhaps I'm being forgetful, but did Rafa ever appoint someone as acadamy director? I remember reading something about him wanting to get more involved in it after Heighway left. Anybody know?
     
  15. cdmphy

    cdmphy Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    Natick, MA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Wasn't Ayesteran considered a really good conditioning coach? And what was his input tactically? From what I've heard he's pretty good at both. I doubt it will have any effect on this season, but I could see it being a long term worry if Rafa doesn't find someone that is equal.
     
  16. CCSC_STRIKER20

    CCSC_STRIKER20 New Member

    May 14, 2005
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rafa doesn't plan on replacing Pako. I am not sure about how good Pako was tactically but he was one of the better conditioning coaches.
     
  17. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The picture posted by YNWAYNWA, shows Pako at last night's reserve match with one of our fitness coaches! Liverpool had allowed him to join Bilbao which he has since left ... And he reportedly claimed Benitez was still a very good friend of his. Hmm ...
     
  18. drobny23

    drobny23 Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Would anyone NOT want him back? Anyone?
     
  19. Bobinhood

    Bobinhood Member

    Apr 22, 2005
    Toronto
    Please god. coincidence or not, we cant win a match since he left.
     
  20. Grinners89

    Grinners89 BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 8, 2007
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Paco was sitting next to Paco :confused:
     

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