The Mike Huckabee (R) Campaign Thread

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  1. RobertK

    RobertK Member

    Jan 10, 2007
    Manhattan Beach
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    I dont think it will work that way. If Romney does not win Iowa and S Carolina, its not like he will throw in the towel. They are realitively unimportant in the overall tally and he can certainly still win without those 2 states. Especially if it goes to a candidate like Huckabee that will most likely not collect alot of other victories. Better for Romney that Huckabee takes those delegates as opposed to Guilani. Huckabee might make a nice splash, but he will be buried by the bigger guns once they get into bigger states.
     
  2. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
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    It's not about delegate count at this point, it's about building momentum. If Romney places poorly in Iowa and SC, and doesn't get a convincing win in NH, it will be difficult to recover.
     
  3. RobertK

    RobertK Member

    Jan 10, 2007
    Manhattan Beach
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    Yeah I agree momentum is key, but I see his struggling in Iowa/S Carolina as paving the way for Guliani, not Huckabee.
     
  4. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Brooklyn
    Absolutely. Huckabee has the disadvantage of having no money, but he's using the same evangelical networks that Rove used in 2004 to turn out the social conservative vote (there's an article on this in todays NYT). Plus, he has the 'advantage' of not having maxed out many donors yet, so success in Iowa could lead to a relative flood of money.

    He has two problems right now. 1. His fundraising to this point sucks and he's going to need to do a lot to get up on the air in the Feb 5th states after NH. 2. The Club for Growth is really opposed to him and they have a lot of money and a lot of the conservative establishment in their pocket. They'll try to use SC as a firewall as it was in 2000 against McCain.

    Working against these disadvantages is his ability to draw on that evangelical network for relatively cheap (compared to tv ads) GoTV.
     
  5. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Brooklyn
    I think this is quite likely. Giuliani's falling in the polls but his position in the race may be getting structurally stronger, given that Huckabee's weakening Romney, but still faces pretty big hurdles to getting the nomination (the money thing and opposition from the 'cut every tax anywhere' wing of the party).
     
  6. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    It maybe paving the way for Guliani/Huckabee.
     
  7. RobertK

    RobertK Member

    Jan 10, 2007
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    That would be an interesting ticket.
     
  8. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Well, this should be interesting ...
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/10/12517/525/811/420237
     
  9. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    I guess Huckabee isn't wrong about everything..heh heh ;)

    Seriously, I find it slightly annoying that it takes this long for these stories to come out. Huckabee has been moving up for quite some time and only now do people realize that he's on the far right.
     
  10. The Big Ticket

    The Big Ticket New Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    MN -> UIUC
    A lot of stuff seems to be coming out that could potentially harm Huckabee's presidential bid. Mostly small stuff, but plenty of it. Somehow, though, I just don't think it's going to affect him. Huckabee is almost (Bill) Clinton-esque in his charm, his ability in communicating with the people, and his ability to dodge controversy. A story could come out tomorrow that says that back in '95, Huckabee strangled puppies in front of orphans infected with AIDS, just so he could watch them cry, and Mike would come out and explain the whole thing in a way that would leave voters and journalists feeling warm and fuzzy.
     
  11. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    I think there's more than a bit of truth to this, at least as far as the press covering the Republican nomination. They'll stop pressing it if they think Republican voters aren't interested.
     
  12. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Well, if Giuliani wins Iowa maybe Huckabee's done. He may have peaked too soon-right now CNN is showing a nasty piece on him.
     
  13. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Brooklyn
    Giuliani hasn't even campaigned in Iowa, he's going to finish between 3rd and 5th, depending on how well Thompson and Paul do. The latest poll numbers from Iowa...

    Huckabee 39%
    Romney 17%
    Thompson 10%
    Giuliani 9%
    Paul 8%
    McCain 6%

    http://www.newsweek.com/media/75/0714_newsweek_poll.pdf

    Other polls have the top much closer, but there's nothing that puts Giuliani within 12 points and no higher than 3rd.
     
  14. tcmahoney

    tcmahoney New Member

    Feb 14, 1999
    Metronatural
    FWIW, Huckabee's now surged to a strong second according to CNN.

    Off-topic, but in that story is one of the reasons why I'm tempted to go back to my alma mater and get my journalism degree revoked because of sheer embarassment.

    From the fifth graf:

    The poll, conducted December 6-9 ...

    From the 18th graf, AKA the next-to-last graf:

    But (CNN polling director Keating) Holland added that "Clinton remains the Democrat to beat. Forty percent in a late-December poll is a position most candidates in past years would envy.

    Once upon a time, reporters were expected to get their facts straight. Nowadays, that notion seems as antiquated as steam locomotives and fedoras for men. :(
     
  15. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
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    But he's not. The folks at the National Review's Corner have been trashing him for being a "leftist Christian fundamentalist."
     
  16. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    Just because the people on the far, far right think he's "leftist" doesn't mean he's not far right.
     
  17. The Big Ticket

    The Big Ticket New Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    MN -> UIUC
    Huckabee is a moderate on the following issues:

    - environmental protection
    - law and order/crime and punishment
    - immigration (don't look at his immigration proposal, look at his record as governor)
    - free trade
    - campaign finance
    - government spending/taxation
    - social security/healthcare

    He's in no way, shape or form "far right." His stances are analogous to those of a typical European Christian Democrat.
     
  18. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
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    I put in a request for a fedora as a christmas gift, and I'm crossing my fingers. [/off topic]
     
  19. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
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    http://www.drudgereport.com/flashhu.htm

    In fact, as the story broke over the weekend that Huckabee said he wanted to isolate AIDS patients back in 1992, the DNC ignored the opportunity to slam the candidate from the left.

    "He'll easily be their McGovern, an easy kill," mocked one senior Democrat operative Tuesday morning from Washington.

    "His letting out murderers because they shout 'Jesus', his wanting to put 300,000 AIDS patients and Magic Johnson into isolation, ain't even scratching the surface of what we've got on him."

    The discipline the Democrats have shown in not engaging Huckabee has earned the praise of one former Republican Party official:

    "The Democrats are doing a much better job restraining themselves than the GOP did in 2003 when Howard Dean looked like he was on the brink of winning the nomination."
     
  20. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
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    Huckabee has apologized for that statement based of further education. Nothing to see here.
     
  21. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Makes sense to me.

    If the Republicans nominate this guy, they're finished in the general election.

    No way this guy becomes President IMO. Too far off the mainstream.
     
  22. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
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    On the other hand, perhaps the attacks on Dean were a stroke of brilliance, considering they got the Democrats to select Kerry.
     
  23. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
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    The democrats are going to win this time no matter what. So, we might as well let the born again Christians have their day in the sun and pick Huckabee. At least he will make for an entertaining campaign.
     
  24. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    Therein lies the problem - if the Christians "have their day in the sun" this time around, you may as well write off the GOP for the next twenty election cycles.

    Go Huckabee!:D
     
  25. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    lol you're probably right
     

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